My mommy and daddy open carry...

[feralmerril]

Typo? "The article says guns create an atmosphere of fear. Scary that people can be so ignorant. Firearms are the guarantee of safety, they indicate that people are free and trust each other."
If we trusted each other we wouldnt need to pack.
I do think some of this pushs the outer limits. When I read a few civilians here that not only feel the need to carry, but think they need a back up and carry two! I would hate to live where they think they need to do that. Is there any stats that showed where a backup gun was needed by a civilian in this country to save his life in the last 130 years?

 

[Haldir]

When I read a few civilians here that not only feel the need to carry, but think they need a back up and carry two!

Let me know exactly when and where I will need it and exactly how much firepower I will need. Then I can stop wasting my time. How about the church shootings? Do you think I should carry in church? Someone should have. How about a movie theater in a good area? Should I carry there? Someone should have, and might have needed a back up piece. How many rounds or pistols should I have when one of those mobs attack like they did at some of the state fairs in the last few years. You are facing 30-40 people that want to harm you in what should be a safe setting. How many rounds would you allow me to have? I could go on if you like.

 

[feralmerril]

When you fly commercial, do you/we ask for a chute plus a backup chute?
Whats the stats on people killed flying commercial? I suppose it is a little greater than the church and theater shootings. If you REALLY feel that way, are you married with kids? Do you follow them around 24/7 riding shotgun, and if not, do you arm them, the pre teens etc? If not, do you have a armed team drive them around and sit with them at school? You can get hit with a meteorite too. I pack (once in awhile). I dont open carry in town with a extra gun in my boot. Now if I lived in bagdad or detroit---

 

[hangnoose]

O/C, IT INVOLVES A LITTLE THING CALLED RESPECT FOR SOMEONE OTHER THAN YOURSELF

We don't want ANTIS pushing their agenda/ & getting in our face, on us, WE should show them the same courtesy. MANY people are afraid of guns (some with a good reason) and nothing is going to change that. It's a two way street.

 

[walkin jack]

Well then lets see here: we can't have prayers in school lest we offend the atheists, we can't fly our American flags lest we offend the foreigners and now we can't carry our hand guns in the open lest we cause fear and loathing to the antis?

Looks like we're the ones living in fear of everyone else. Or at least that's the way they'd have it if they could. Sorry but I just don't buy it.

 

[ladder13]

Well then lets see here: we can't have prayers in school lest we offend the atheists, we can't fly our American flags lest we offend the foreigners and now we can't carry our hand guns in the open lest we cause fear and loathing to the antis?

Looks like we're the ones living in fear of everyone else. Or at least that's the way they'd have it if they could. Sorry but I just don't buy it.

Seems like OC causes fear and loathing from gun owners as well, judging from all the scorn and derision shown to OC proponents lately.

 

[Doug M.]

Get yourself some nice leather and you'd feel a lot better about it .

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That's what she said!

There is a time and place, but the experiences I have had as a cop and a prosecutor dealing with the reactions of the handwringers cause me a LOT of concern that some OC advocates are generating more hate than we can stand. I dealt with a call where I knew going in that complainant was a capon (area code 360 in the call screen) and was not describing anything requiring LE response, but he did not like the 10 minute explanation of why there was no basis to contact the law abiding OC-er. It has been a regular topic of discussion on my prosecutor email lists for years - and the desire of colleagues to be responsive to the ninnies (because we are public servants) is hard to reconcile with the need to tell the ninnies to shut up and sit down.

I'm a HUGE freedom of speech advocate, but I don't wear my training shirts with "See the (acolyte of Oedipus), shoot the (acolyte of Oedipus). Quit thinking about it." or "Un(screw) Yourself" to the store. It's not worth the hate and discontent from the sissies who need the message the most. (But I do wear one that says "Kill Bad Guys like a Champion today".)

 

[walkin jack]

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That's what she said!

There is a time and place, but the experiences I have had as a cop and a prosecutor dealing with the reactions of the handwringers cause me a LOT of concern that some OC advocates are generating more hate than we can stand. I dealt with a call where I knew going in that complainant was a capon (area code 360 in the call screen) and was not describing anything requiring LE response, but he did not like the 10 minute explanation of why there was no basis to contact the law abiding OC-er. It has been a regular topic of discussion on my prosecutor email lists for years - and the desire of colleagues to be responsive to the ninnies (because we are public servants) is hard to reconcile with the need to tell the ninnies to shut up and sit down.

I'm a HUGE freedom of speech advocate, but I don't wear my training shirts with "See the (acolyte of Oedipus), shoot the (acolyte of Oedipus). Quit thinking about it." or "Un(screw) Yourself" to the store. It's not worth the hate and discontent from the sissies who need the message the most. (But I do wear one that says "Kill Bad Guys like a Champion today".)

This is a very informed post. Your opinion based upon your observations and experiences makes a LOT of good point. Lots of food for thought here. Thanks!

 

[keith44spl]

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That's what she said!



I'm a HUGE freedom of speech advocate, but I don't wear my training shirts with "See the (acolyte of Oedipus), shoot the (acolyte of Oedipus). Quit thinking about it." or "Un(screw) Yourself" to the store. It's not worth the hate and discontent from the sissies who need the message the most.

(But I do wear one that says;

"Kill Bad Guys like a Champion today".)

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Surly ye jest.........



I wouldn't open carry and wear a tee-shirt with a message like that neither.


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[Comrad]

I would like it in the woods and real rural outdoor areas but I'm not a fan of grocery shopping like a gun slinger. Of course in NJ it's only just a dream.

I would hope the open carry fans have good awareness of who is behind them and wear good retention holsters.

Lot's of potential for disaster on the hip of those who are less than well trained.

 

[Gunsnwater]

Having the right to open carry is good but people who open carry should be licensed just like concealed carry licenses I also believe that ANYONE who carries a firearm concealed or otherwise should also have to qualify with them on some sort of regular basis so that at least some level of skill and accuracy is maintained among the populace that chooses to carry Just because someone can carry doesn't mean that they should be allowed to. Licensing helps to filter those who should and shouldn't carry.

Do you understand the fundamental difference between a right and a privilege? I would suggest training as a good idea not a requirement. But I suggest the same for c.c. Before "shall issue" the license was used as a favor or reward and was not given to regular folks, just the connected. Never give up your rights. You may feel they were given to you and not value them, but I assure you someone paid the price for your rights.

 

[Aticus]

This may sound a little silly BUT, if open carry of firearms is illegal in your state, how do you hunt? The hunting I did with my Dad years ago required that the gun was carried openly. It's REALLY hard to conceal a shotgun and be able to use it to shoot a running rabbit or flying bird on short notice. Is there something in the law that allows open carry while hunting but not any other time? Just asking.

 

[shouldazagged]

I think both ends of that deal are pretty damn dumb. The misguided reaction was predictable, but the book strikes me as unnecessary and just asking for the antis to soil themselves.

Teach your own children the facts and advantages of gun ownership. Raise them right. You are not, repeat not, going to educate the antis or waverers in the general public with a book like that.

But then I also have very little faith in the often-stated view that if we all carried openly it would accustom everyone to it and all would be sweetness and light between us and the hoplophobes.

 

[gregintenn]

This may sound a little silly BUT, if open carry of firearms is illegal in your state, how do you hunt? The hunting I did with my Dad years ago required that the gun was carried openly. It's REALLY hard to conceal a shotgun and be able to use it to shoot a running rabbit or flying bird on short notice. Is there something in the law that allows open carry while hunting but not any other time? Just asking.

Yes, in Tennessee at least, carrying a firearm is a crime according to the law. There are several "defenses" to this crime, such as : hunting, law enforcement, possessing a carry permit, etc. I'm not sure how it's worded in other states.

 

[baldboy]

As law abiding citizens police officers and other LEOS shouldn't have to certify with their weapons because they already have a constitutional right to carry?. People shouldn't prove their competency behind the wheel by taking a behind the wheel test for their drivers license? I'm not against open carry or concealed carry by any means but licensing and regular qualification will help to insure the competent handling of a firearm by competent individuals. Just because someone is old enough by law to own and have a firearm doesn't mean they can safely do so. An accurate shot by a qualified person is much safer. Too many people own and carry a firearm and very seldom if ever spend much time at the range. Its all about safety at least being as safe as possible with a deadly weapon in public.

 

[Doug M.]

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(But I do wear one that says;

"Kill Bad Guys like a Champion today".)

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Surly ye jest.........
I wouldn't open carry and wear a tee-shirt with a message like that neither. .

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Nope.

About the only time I would consider OC is hiking, with my .44 magnum. And I would not wear one of my "good" T-shirts for that. I would wear a beater white or gray one; one of the t shirts I use for hard PT. I sweat like a large furry Scot.

As for wearing that shirt - heck, I may today when I head over to the grocery in a while. But my 19L will be in an IWB holster, under that shirt. I live in a campus area, so I tend to wear hippie-flage. The classic rock radio station T shirt is a good choice. This time of year, it's cargo shorts and sandals for a lot of my errands.

 

[snubbyfan]

The government used to say that to keep "brown folks" from being able to carry a weapon.


I believe in freedom, too bad more people don't

We've come a log way then, this "brown folk" conceal carries ever day with a government issued license.

 

[Doug M.]

As law abiding citizens police officers and other LEOS shouldn't have to certify with their weapons because they already have a constitutional right to carry?. People shouldn't prove their competency behind the wheel by taking a behind the wheel test for their drivers license? I'm not against open carry or concealed carry by any means but licensing and regular qualification will help to insure the competent handling of a firearm by competent individuals. Just because someone is old enough by law to own and have a firearm doesn't mean they can safely do so. An accurate shot by a qualified person is much safer. Too many people own and carry a firearm and very seldom if ever spend much time at the range. Its all about safety at least being as safe as possible with a deadly weapon in public.

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Apples to avocados. Cops are exercising a lot of special rules with regard to the use of force on behalf of the public, not themselves. Driving a car is not a right, it's a privilege (and one about which we are way too sloppy). A right is a different analysis.

I admit, I am not in favor of some of the untrained lackwits I have seen being armed, but the risk from them is generally less than the risk from invasive laws and regulations. Most of them have the SAOAFR and will never even know they need to draw and shoot.

 

[baldboy]

If we don't monitor our rights such as carrying firearms that very right could become a privilege if we aren't careful I understand the difference between a right and a privilege.

 

[Alpo]

As law abiding citizens police officers and other LEOS shouldn't have to certify with their weapons because they already have a constitutional right to carry?. People shouldn't prove their competency behind the wheel by taking a behind the wheel test for their drivers license? I'm not against open carry or concealed carry by any means but licensing and regular qualification will help to insure the competent handling of a firearm by competent individuals. Just because someone is old enough by law to own and have a firearm doesn't mean they can safely do so. An accurate shot by a qualified person is much safer. Too many people own and carry a firearm and very seldom if ever spend much time at the range. Its all about safety at least being as safe as possible with a deadly weapon in public.

I musta missed the memo. When did driving a car become a Constitutional right?