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Here is the M27's right side. And the 642 would have been in this pic as well, except it is in my pocket - where it belongs....
My name is Red, and I Own an IL Revolver...
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girvin02
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Poohgyrr, if I were to buy an IL gun, THAT would be the one! Very nice gun. Congrats.
OK, I'm going to take the plunge. I simply love the M21 and don't have unlimited time on Earth to wait for a no-lock version.
Does this model qualify for the $50 rebate? If so, that makes the smell a little less onerous.
Does this model qualify for the $50 rebate? If so, that makes the smell a little less onerous.
My 642-2 has the lock. I have not messed with it in any way.
So far it has been very reliable, assuming I clean it every few hundred rounds.
It is in my jacket pocket right now.
The only thing keeping me from buying more new Revolvers is that I can generally buy the older ones cheaper in comparable condition.
I would like to try one of the new released large bore revolvers, especially the .45's and the .41. Funds will be the determining factor. I do have a Model 58 on layaway right now.
rayb
So far it has been very reliable, assuming I clean it every few hundred rounds.
It is in my jacket pocket right now.
The only thing keeping me from buying more new Revolvers is that I can generally buy the older ones cheaper in comparable condition.
I would like to try one of the new released large bore revolvers, especially the .45's and the .41. Funds will be the determining factor. I do have a Model 58 on layaway right now.
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RedBerens
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Poohgyrr, I'd say we are both very lucky. We have a gun that stirs our souls and our imaginations. When I walk through the cactus and sage brush of my fields wearing it, I imagine it's how Elmer and Skeeter felt with their special guns. And really, isn't that what it's all about? Wearing a sidearm that makes you feel like a kid again, and reminds you of the guns carried by your heroes. More importantly, it also reminds us of how blessed we are to live in this great country.
By the way, I really like the grips you picked out for your pistol, but I don't recognize the maker.
By the way, I really like the grips you picked out for your pistol, but I don't recognize the maker.
gunnut44
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RedBerens,Great Post! I do not own any IL revolvers, but when my gunshop ever gets a 3.5 27 in blue I will have one! I cant wait to see a Mod.58! Buy what you like and never mind what anyone else thinks. At least you are buying American quality goods and not some foreign crap!
ultramag44
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Landric, Could you please tell us about the failure you experienced? What happened?
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Absolutely, there are good reasons that people from all over the world still risk their lives to move here. Some of those people do not make it.
And thanks, those are my last set of new, old stock, Fitz walnut Gunfighters. The factory burned down in the 1970s if I remember right, and production never resumed.. The owner, John "Fitz" Paul, lives near me and we've talked at the range and home. He is a good guy and I believe still moderates the reloading section over on The High Road forum.
I haven't seen any more wood grips, or N frame or K frame Gunfighters, for sale for a few years now. Used target models, made out of the original synthetic "Duramite" can still be found on ebay fairly regularly.
You do have to watch out for some cheap copies, mainly of the real 1911 Target models that the old Bullseye and PPC guys used - these used originals still go for about $100 on ebay.
And yes indeed, carrying one of these is partly a tribute to those who have gone before us, and who helped us get to where we are. And it helps that I still shoot these better than many autoloaders..
Landric
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Sure. I've posted about it before, but I think those posts got removed. I was shooting one of the new 22-4 1917 Classics at a S&W demo booth at a major IDPA match. Ammunition was factory standard 230 grain hardball. The revolver's IL engaged during recoil and prevented me from firing the next chamber. The folks running the booth took the gun from me, turned away, messed with it while I couldn't see what they were doing, and it became magically unlocked. They tried to play it off, and I didn't call them on it (after all, they were letting me shoot the gun for free), but I knew exactly what had happened.
Stainz
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I've bought ten IL-equipped revolvers since 9/02, with only my first 625 having been sold - the rest are here and have never experienced a problem of any sort with that IL - no matter how hard I tried (I tried shooting limp-wristed, heavy loads, etc, with the key in and IL 'almost' on - it always reverted to off.). I don't like the IL, but it won't stop my buying a new S&W - there are some fine new offerings from S&W. I won't buy foreign-owned-S&W era guns from my poor experience with same... particularly Bangor Punta period, as they have been the most problematic here, QC-wise. Give me the current American-owned era guns!
Yeah, it is hard to admit that here... folks are very opionated re the IL - as they have a right to be. I also have that right.
Stainz
Yeah, it is hard to admit that here... folks are very opionated re the IL - as they have a right to be. I also have that right.
Stainz
45Wheelgun
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Originally posted by phenson:
Lock or no lock that is one FINE looking revolver! I hope you enjoy the hell out of it.
45Wheelgun
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I gave my "testimony" one page before you asked this question. (Page 9)
Originally posted by akr:
Instead of buying a 629, I bought a Ruger 4" Redhawk with no lock.
Why?
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+1Originally posted by 45wheelgun:
Originally posted by phenson:
Lock or no lock that is one FINE looking revolver! I hope you enjoy the hell out of it.
W
There's a couple on AA for $600, just like that one.
Duke426
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Originally posted by Wyatt Earp:
+1Originally posted by 45wheelgun:
Originally posted by phenson:
Lock or no lock that is one FINE looking revolver! I hope you enjoy the hell out of it.
WW
Yeah, what he said.
Duke426
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WHOOOOOAAAAA
I know emotions are running high over the lock issue, but lets think about this for a moment...
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So you don't want MIM parts and then bought a gun made out of a CASTING?
That was bright......
pinkymingeo
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I haven't seen a Redhawk in a while. Aren't they the ones with a book written on the barrel? The owner's manual or something? I think I could live without that.
I have been working on a insert replacement for the IL in my sons 44 mag. On taking the IL out I can see why it can lock up on recoil. It has to do with parts tolerences and spring pressure.
I have seen the thread for IL replacement. It is good. I think I have done a easier conversion, if you will, for it but it does require more machinist tools.
I think the IL looks crappy but the workmanship of the gun is very good. I will buy IL guns. I really like Rugers but the last two I have bought were put together very poorly.
Just my opinion.
John
I have seen the thread for IL replacement. It is good. I think I have done a easier conversion, if you will, for it but it does require more machinist tools.
I think the IL looks crappy but the workmanship of the gun is very good. I will buy IL guns. I really like Rugers but the last two I have bought were put together very poorly.
Just my opinion.
John
Bravo Red! I have owned a lot of S&W revolvers over the years. I have 3 with the internal lock and MIM parts. To be honest they are well made guns and all have been extremely accurate.
I actually quit coming here because of the posters that bash the lock and MIM parts. It's their loss if they refuse to buy these guns.
When you find someone bashing the newer guns ask them what they own. The answers usually are a surprise.
Some people just can't make up their mind on which side of the debate they fall on.
pinkymingeo
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I wasn't bashing Ruger. They make fine guns. My point was that many fine guns have some features that could be improved, or done away with. Who owns a box-stock, GI-issue type 1911? Most have extensive modifications, either by smaller shops or the owners themselves. When I buy a S&W revolver it instantly gets new springs, most likely grips, and maybe a front sight. Or, an action job. The IL sucks. So does the magazine disconnect on a HP, and the grip safety on a 1911, and the lettering on some Ruger barrels, but we buy them anyway and deal with what we don't like.
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