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I joined the forum to learn more and share about my Pre-27 that my father left to me. Unfortunately we didn't talk a whole lot about this gun. I only figured out what it was just the other day thanks to info here. I think my dad may have purchased the revolver brand new, what I know for sure is that he is the one who had it engraved. I have a Pre-64 model 70 that matches it. I think the engraving may have been done in Japan, or the Philippines. I know it has some holster wear, and the side plate screws need replaced, but I like it all the same. I just installed the Hogue grip today. It had a set of Pachmayr presentation grips that I did not like. For many years it wore a set of dark hardwood stocks, and I have no idea what happened to the originals. I put the rosewood grip on because I knew my dad intended to put a really nice set of stocks on it one day. The grips came from the "cosmetic blemishes" section of the Hogue auction website, but I can't find what is wrong with them. I shot it for the first time in decades just the other day. I had a great time with it. I have been an auto guy for some time, but there was something very special about shooting this gun that I hadn't shot since I was a kid.

Serial # S1565xx.

Thanks for letting me share.


Essendubyou by zweitakt250, on Flickr


Essendubyou by zweitakt250, on Flickr


Essendubyou by zweitakt250, on Flickr


Essendubyou by zweitakt250, on Flickr



Essendubyou by zweitakt250, on Flickr


Essendubyou by zweitakt250, on Flickr
 
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Welcome to the forum from Massachusetts, the home of Smith & Wesson. This is a great place to learn about all things S&W. That is a great looking revolver and one with family connections, one of my favorite kinds of firearm.
 
It has the very desirable 3.5" barrel. Looks like he had the trigger and hammer jeweled too.

You should enjoy shooting it whenever you can. I'm sure that's what your Dad would want.
 
In case you are not aware, there will be an S that is part of the serial number, even though it will be a quite a bit to the left of the numbers on the butt of the gun.
Very nice gun. I like the engraving.
 
Wowzers! Don't let Jim Brewster see that beauty, he is likely to damage a keyboard with drool.

Very impressive, too bad your dad didn't share more of the story before his passing. Thanks for sharing with us:)
 
Nightowl said:
In case you are not aware, there will be an S that is part of the serial number, even though it will be a quite a bit to the left of the numbers on the butt of the gun.
Very nice gun. I like the engraving.
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Thank you. I forgot about the S. Does it stand for serial?
 
Yes, the screws look like someone used a household screwdriver on them rather than a gunsmith screwdriver.

I really like the engraving. The jeweled hammer and trigger...not so much. I would hunt up case hardened originals and replace them. But that's me.

I also detest the Hogues. But maybe you like them. I would prefer a set of original Magnas. Again, that's me.

All you need now is a fancy belt and holster with tooling and you can BBQ in style.

Nice heirloom. I hope you enjoy it.
 
What an entrance! That is a fine Model 27 with even more meaning with the family connection. I hope you will enjoy it for a very long time until you can pass it along to the next generation!

Froggie
 
SaxonPig said:
Yes, the screws look like someone used a household screwdriver on them rather than a gunsmith screwdriver.

I really like the engraving. The jeweled hammer and trigger...not so much. I would hunt up case hardened originals and replace them. But that's me.

I also detest the Hogues. But maybe you like them. I would prefer a set of original Magnas. Again, that's me.

All you need now is a fancy belt and holster with tooling and you can BBQ in style.

Nice heirloom. I hope you enjoy it.
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Thanks!

Since my dad is the one who chose the engine turning on the trigger/hammer I will keep them as is. I know the Hogues are a bit much, but I plan to shoot this gun quite a bit and I'm a bit particular about my grip fit. I did the fitting and stippling on these grips for my target pistol.


IZh by zweitakt250, on Flickr


IZh by zweitakt250, on Flickr

I figured since the revolver was ornate the grips could be also. ;)
 
Jebus35745 said:
The 27 is awesome, I'd shoot it and remember where it came from when shooting it. The IZH is nice also, how does it shoot? Larry
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I can't help but think about my dad when shooting or cleaning or working on this .357.


JP@AK said:
Most likely by squeezing the trigger . . . :D :D :D

Sorry - I just could not resist!
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The IZh shot too much when I pulled the trigger, like two or three times with one pull!! It shoots well, now. For some time it had the doubling problem, which is common in the 35m. I made a tool to counterbore the bolt face deeper to increase the headspace. That fixed the problem.


One of the things I really like about the Smith is thinking about the men that made it. I am a machinist, and thinking about the great American craftsmen that built this revolver before I was born gives me a good feeling. The parts of the gun where you can see tool marks and then additional hand fitting are truly wonderful. Modern firearms show little of this character to me.
 
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One of the things I really like about the Smith is thinking about the men that made it. I am a machinist, and thinking about the great American craftsmen that built this revolver before I was born gives me a good feeling. The parts of the gun where you can see tool marks and then additional hand fitting are truly wonderful. Modern firearms show little of this character to me.
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First welcome to the forum, that's a great heirloom you have.

I agree with your feelings about the craftsmen who produced these great revolvers. Sadly, in many cases that pride of workmanship has been lost over the years.
 
Wonderful gun and history. I really like the plum color of the barrel and cylinder.
 
"The IZh shot too much when I pulled the trigger, like two or three times with one pull!! It shoots well, now. For some time it had the doubling problem, which is common in the 35m. I made a tool to counterbore the bolt face deeper to increase the headspace. That fixed the problem."

That's information you should have kept to yourself. I advise never mentioning that to anyone. Once a machine gun, always a machine gun. You may wish to delete your posting.
 
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DWalt said:
"The IZh shot too much when I pulled the trigger, like two or three times with one pull!! It shoots well, now. For some time it had the doubling problem, which is common in the 35m. I made a tool to counterbore the bolt face deeper to increase the headspace. That fixed the problem."

That's information you should have kept to yourself. I advise never mentioning that to anyone. Once a machine gun, always a machine gun. You may wish to delete your posting.
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It was never a machine gun. It was malfunctioning semiauto.
If a 1911 breaks the top of the sear off and goes full auto, it can be repaired.
 
I think that's a beautiful revolver and its amazing that you have something like that to remember you father by. I think the engraving is beautiful and prefer to compliment you on your revolver and welcome you to the forum, rather than point out the minor imperfections, but that's just me. :)
 
DWalt said:
If ANY gun fires more than one round with a single trigger pull, it becomes a NFA weapon - like it or not.
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I disagree. It is a legal weapon in need of repair. I am not saying that charges couldn't be filed if it appreared as though the owner had manipulated it to fire that way or was intentionally not repairing it.

If you can't register it as a machine gun, its not an NFA weapon. Since it was made after May 19, 1986 and the owner, I assume is not a Title 2 Manufacturer, it's not an NFA weapon. It's just broke and needs to be fixed.
 
You are one lucky devil to have such an heirloom from your Dad and be able to shoot it too.
Welcome to the forum from Florida's Gulf Islands......er Gator country.......
 
DWalt said:
If ANY gun fires more than one round with a single trigger pull, it becomes a NFA weapon - like it or not.
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So you believe ANY semiauto that malfunctions or breaks and runs full auto cannot be repaired and must be turned in as a non-registered NFA?
The code does not say that.
You are saying a stuck firing pin created an illegal machine gun every time it has ever happened. I've seen them stick, and the guns were simply repaired.
I've seen a 1911 break a sear. A new sear was fitted.
 
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Absolutely it's a NFA weapon if you are caught with it. Think on it for about thirty seconds and you will clearly understand why. There is no exemption in the NFA for "malfunctioning" semiautos. The typical approach to be followed for a semiauto which is multiple firing is to fix it and KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!! BATFE has a history of prosecuting such situations if they know about them.
 
Nice thread derail, guys.....:(

Anyway, welcome to the Forum 63expert!

That is a beautiful legacy you've got there. I might suggest that you look at some grips by one of our own forum members, Keith Brown. His workmanship is of the highest quality, and would look just right on you dad's M27, imho.

Here's a search link for you:
http://smith-wessonforum.com/search...b9lchnk&cof=FORID:9&q=Keith+Brown+grips&sa=Go

Thank you for sharing a beautiful M27 with us!
 
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if you don't know who or where the gun was engraved, there might be a signature somewhere hidden in the engraving. would take a magnifying glass to see it if it's there and it could be anywhere in the engraving. it looks very nice. whoever did it had some talent. any chance he could have returned it to smith for engraving after it was built?
 
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