My review of the Juvicator B.A.D. lever.

[antifederalist22]

Is there any reason the lever isn't sitting more flush to the lower? I can't tell if the bolt is being held open in the photos.

You don't want it that close to the lower, otherwise it would be disengaged by the mag release when you do a mag change, which would defeat part of its purpose (bolt release with trigger finger after a reload); the other being bolt lock back with trigger finger to clear jams.

 

[tonyxcom]

Understood, but it looks to me that it could have been designed to sit more flush with the side of the lower if it didn't start its bend towards the muzzle UNTIL it passed the mag release.

 

[antifederalist22]

The 15-22 receiver has different dimensions than a standard AR receiver. The 15-22 receiver is thicker, the trigger well is smaller, and since the bolt carriage is shorter the bolt catch and mag release do not line up in the same place. If the 15-22 was the same spec Juvicator would not have had to make a custom lever. Other guys have taken to using a file or Dremel to cut out some of the trigger well to use the Magpul BAD lever, or bent the Magpul BAD lever to fit, but there are inconsistencies with function in those workarounds, like the bolt not holding open on the last round, etc.

 

[tonyxcom]

I'm not disagreeing that a custom lever needed to be manufactured, I just think it could have been designed to sit more flush with the lower, similar to the Magpul version.

I'll use one of the photos in the OP to show what I mean.

 

[tonyxcom]

So why couldn't have been designed like this? It would clear the mag release, it could sit a lot more flush to the lower, and the lever would be in the EXACT same position in the trigger well. So it would work EXACTLY like it does now, just look a lot better.

 

[Juvicator]

No matter what kind of bend you have in that direction, if it was sitting flush to the lower it would hit the lower at the bottom near the trigger well.

 

[Triggs75]

Awsome job and great review. It's just amazing how you make something and people are never satisfied and tell you how to change it. I know it is just trying to help out and all but still.

 

[JMS93]

I personally think it looks great how it is...

One quick question though. Once you get up and running you were talking about custom engraving... How detailed can those engravings be? I have a couple ideas, but don't know what your setup entails.

Cant wait to try one Juvicator, and thanks for the time you put into a product like this so we can all enjoy a BAD lever on our rifles without having to tweak what is currently available and have to compromise its effects.

 

[tonyxcom]

Sorry, I am not telling anyone how to change anything. But I do think it might appeal to a broader audience if didn't hang off the gun like a sling.

But I think I have the answer I have been looking for.

Can you post a picture of this BAD lever attached WITH the bolt held open? I think that's the part of the equation I am missing here, since the photos don't show if the bolt is open or closed. I suspect that once the bolt is held open, we can see why the clearance is needed.

 

[Juvicator]

I take no offence to what tony is saying. Its actually got me thinking, so tonight I will fire up the ol computing machine and see just how flush I could make it. I don't think he was bashing or telling how it should be, just saying what he would like to see. That's the kind of stuff that I look for. If it can be made to what the end users want that's my goal. So I will check it out.

As for the engraving question, anything can be engraved. Hard to tell unless you look at it close but mr skull head has individual teeth. I've got engraving bits that are pretty good at getting small stuff, and if that doesn't work I have endmills as small as .001 of an inch.

 

[antifederalist22]

So why couldn't have been designed like this? It would clear the mag release, it could sit a lot more flush to the lower, and the lever would be in the EXACT same position in the trigger well. So it would work EXACTLY like it does now, just look a lot better.

My bad, my mind was bending the wrong way.

 

[Stillsearchin']

Let us know when they're available!! Can't wait.

 

[dogg1er]

so does septemberish still look like the release date?

 

[Juvicator]

Yes september-ish still holding as firm as it sounds. LOTS going on. Back to school for kiddios, and my big mill at work had crabbing issues. Brain has been mush lately, but by the power of Greyskull I will have my shop up and running soon...ish.

 

[tonyxcom]

did you make a revision?

 

[Juvicator]

I looked at it. Might be able to get it closer to the lower by .050 or .055

Not too sure it will make a big visual difference. But I will look into it closer. Want to make sure we are talking about the same thing. Looking from the point of view like sholdering the rifle, you would like to see from that perspective, the arm closer to the lower right?

 

[tonyxcom]

Ideally yes, but I think the view I a missing, to get a complete visual of it in use, is to take a picture of it while the bolt is being held open. I suspect that in this position, the BAD lever is at its closest to the lower.

Hard to see range of motion and clearance of a moving part when photos only show it in one position

 

[Juvicator]

Ill take some pics tomorrow.

 

[x3thelast]

subscribed! waiting on the release as well

 

[og556]

I will buy one of these when they are ready.