My second dog attack.
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The baton can also be used as a break stick.
A Governor? 410? No disrespect but I think you underestimate mans best friend and just how hard it is to hit a moving target at full speed. No 410 for me. If I had to shoot it would hard hitting 45 Colt not wimpy 410.
amazingflapjack
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I make an effort to communicate with the owner if possible, I was raised that way, especially when the dog is a yard bound barker, and they don't seem to care. I try to be polite, but tell them plainly that their dog is a problem. In a couple of cases, I have filed the paperwork to have annimal control fine, and eventually cause the owner to appear in court to possibly have the dog taken away. There is a progression of increasing fines-starting with 50 bucks and doubling each subsequent time. The animal control guys will tell you that "hitting them in the pocket book" is a sure fire way to get their attention. But here, you have to have 2 people sign, and many neighbors are reluctant to sign. Animal control can and should be called in the case of roaming dogs. The report of a loose dog here gets a priority response, and it also is helpful if you do have to do something, to protect your self after the fact. I don't like to harm the dog, because as one poster said, I understand what the dog is doing. I used to live in the mountains of Georgia, and had 2 mountain bred shepherd-retrever mix dogs-a brother and sister. They were sweet pups, unless you were intruding on their turf. I had put on an old knit cap one winter day, and gone out to walk around the road, which horse shoed around a deep draw, that the dogs just cut right through to come up on the other side. They didn't know I was out, so when they came up out of that draw and saw me, I got a taste of what a stranger had to deal with. Whoa!! I was glad they were mine, and they were embarassed when they found out old Dad had "tricked" them. So I try to talk to folks. I had a dog several houses up from us that would run down the street and challenge me right at my front door. At the time, I had doctors orders to walk my wife around the block, and when I did, I had to deal with this dog almost every time. I finally found the wife home one day, out in front, with the dog loose, and naturally, it came after me. I asked if her husband was home, and she said no, so I told her who I was and where I lived so that her husband could find me, and asked her if she thought is was ok for her dog to challenge me right at my front door? No. Then I told her about walking my wife around the street, and I told her that the next time their dog came after us, I was going to hurt him, real bad. Then I asked her if she understood what I had said. Yes. Never saw the dog again. I am an animal lover from for ever, but I can and will do what I have to do to protect others. I have had cases where I just gave a strong command to a dog, sometimes in the name of Jesus, and that was all that was necessary. Flapjack.
Carry and be careful! I carry when I ride or walk since I cannot run any more due to a busted ankle. I almost had to kill one a few years ago it came running out in a aggressive manner and I had my daugher who was 8 at the time with me. I grapped her and set her in the back of a parked pick up that was on the street and crowned it with my solid brass headed cane. After that I always carry my Snubed nosed 38.
a Governor is the answer
I agree with MC5AW: For those of you who don't own or have not shot a Smith & Wesson Governor, I own one and have recently shot over 100 rounds through mine. Not a lot, but enough I can give a reasonable assessment of what effect/patterning they have. Now, I will/would not critize anybody for their choise in caliber. I believe (as I have for over 25 years of teaching firearms) that you should carry the gun/caliber you shoot the best, then shot placement is the key. That said, my Governor will put (in just one round) four 000 buck rounds - per EACH round - in a four inch circle at 25 yards, and I believe that an aggressive dog (or any other "animal") would be much closer. I walk my puppy on a leash at night and the Governor is my choise of weapons (and I have "several" to pick from). I put two rounds of Winchester .410 PDX, then two rounds of the Federal .410 (four shots per round) 000, then two Gold dot .45 colts. Anything that attacks at 10 yards or closer is not going to attack again. Be safe.
I agree with MC5AW: For those of you who don't own or have not shot a Smith & Wesson Governor, I own one and have recently shot over 100 rounds through mine. Not a lot, but enough I can give a reasonable assessment of what effect/patterning they have. Now, I will/would not critize anybody for their choise in caliber. I believe (as I have for over 25 years of teaching firearms) that you should carry the gun/caliber you shoot the best, then shot placement is the key. That said, my Governor will put (in just one round) four 000 buck rounds - per EACH round - in a four inch circle at 25 yards, and I believe that an aggressive dog (or any other "animal") would be much closer. I walk my puppy on a leash at night and the Governor is my choise of weapons (and I have "several" to pick from). I put two rounds of Winchester .410 PDX, then two rounds of the Federal .410 (four shots per round) 000, then two Gold dot .45 colts. Anything that attacks at 10 yards or closer is not going to attack again. Be safe.
Hook686
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From what I have read those multiple shot balls essentially act as one bullet. Thus there seems to me to be no real advantage of a handgun that shoots buckshot over a conventional handgun loaded with HP ammunition. My 200 grain GDHP also shoots a one shot in a 4" circle at 25 yards.
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Hook686: It depends on the situation. The Governor can shoot "just" one round of .45 colt, .45 ACP or .45 GAP, however when you have a moving target (bird or animal, or whatever) and you shoot .410 four bullets each time you squeze the trigger, you have a much better chance of hitting the target. An example would be if we both get five inch groups and yours is just a bit left or right, you may miss. If I have four round going to the same area, I have a better chance (75% better) of hitting the target - based on my four rounds vs your one. No, I'm not advocating "spray and pray", just a specific gun/load, for a specific purpose - like walking the dog late at night, responding in your own home late at night, less penetration, etc. with the 000 buck rounds. Just some examples, there are (I'm sure) lots of others.
Hook686: It depends on the situation. The Governor can shoot "just" one round of .45 colt, .45 ACP or .45 GAP, however when you have a moving target (bird or animal, or whatever) and you shoot .410 four bullets each time you squeze the trigger, you have a much better chance of hitting the target. An example would be if we both get five inch groups and yours is just a bit left or right, you may miss. If I have four round going to the same area, I have a better chance (75% better) of hitting the target - based on my four rounds vs your one. No, I'm not advocating "spray and pray", just a specific gun/load, for a specific purpose - like walking the dog late at night, responding in your own home late at night, less penetration, etc. with the 000 buck rounds. Just some examples, there are (I'm sure) lots of others.
1965
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Sorry you got hurt, but you sir are a very good writer. Your style of writing is entertaining.
cmort666
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The problem with that is that these days, bicyclists are facing an increasing danger of TWO legged predators. Bicyclists have been the victims of several recent gang attacks. I don't want to save an aggressive dog's life at the cost of my own in the event of a violent robbery.
...because you ARE using "real bullets".
Rat shot is every bit as much deadly force as a Mini-mag. If you were to unlawfully shoot a human being with rat shot, that would be a felony, indistinguishable from shooting them with a plated hollowpoint.
As an Officer in two states over 28 years, you need to daily daily daily go to local PD, Sheriff, LEO office and complain. After your 10th or 20th complaint, if you use a firearm on a animal it will be well more tolerated than just shooting a dog while riding passed. I would also, personally, just chat with an attroney, one like those ambulance chasers on the morning judge shows, just to have a name to throw around. Lawsuits, and documentation are two things that scare the **** out of Police management, and supervision.
You also need to go with an Officer in attendance and discuss the situation with any suspect dog owner. Documentation is the key to not losing your home. If a judge/jury sees you as a bicyclist with a trigger finger, you will lose everything. Believe me, I have seen it.
You also need to go with an Officer in attendance and discuss the situation with any suspect dog owner. Documentation is the key to not losing your home. If a judge/jury sees you as a bicyclist with a trigger finger, you will lose everything. Believe me, I have seen it.
Consider giving up riding a bicycle and foot chase girls at the park for exercise.
I was involved in a case where the owner of a puppy Rottweiler ( 9 Months ) gave the dog away because of his wife's premature labor. Papers were signed to show ownership of dog transfer and signed by a notary.
Long story short, the dog supposedly jumped the fence and bit a person holding a toy throwing it to dog/puppy to retrieve. The person claimed a bite in thumb, admitted the dog did it accidentally as he jumped to retrieve his toy. The new owner admitted to lying and signing a false name on transfer affadavit, and did not actually live at address given. ( She was just looking for a lawsuit )
Case went to trial, original dog's owner, insurance company would not assist because incident happened off property, and bottom line, original owner had to pay $10,000 out of pocket. Even worse, dog had to be put down because now he was a PROVEN biter. Be very careful about your advice, your willingness to draw a weapon, and worse use it.
Just for your consideration, poor dog died, homeowner sued, and scum who adopted dog got 10,000.
Wrong jury, wrong judge, non documented transfer, person was lucky not to lose their home to this animal, not the Rotti I am talking about.
Long story short, the dog supposedly jumped the fence and bit a person holding a toy throwing it to dog/puppy to retrieve. The person claimed a bite in thumb, admitted the dog did it accidentally as he jumped to retrieve his toy. The new owner admitted to lying and signing a false name on transfer affadavit, and did not actually live at address given. ( She was just looking for a lawsuit )
Case went to trial, original dog's owner, insurance company would not assist because incident happened off property, and bottom line, original owner had to pay $10,000 out of pocket. Even worse, dog had to be put down because now he was a PROVEN biter. Be very careful about your advice, your willingness to draw a weapon, and worse use it.
Just for your consideration, poor dog died, homeowner sued, and scum who adopted dog got 10,000.
Wrong jury, wrong judge, non documented transfer, person was lucky not to lose their home to this animal, not the Rotti I am talking about.
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Hook686
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The people signing the document did not have to show ID to the notary ? The seller did not ask to see ID, yet used a notary ? The paper was signed in the presence of a notary ? The fraud buyer was not charged with a fraud ? There must be more to this story.
Well if that is the case, it just opens up an entire world of possibilities in fluffy abatement doesn’t it, all of which are in your favor. Use a little imagination.
Lady had a fake license, notary was a $2 fee, civil matter so no fraud/police were involved. Owners wife was in hospital, plus he had a premie boy at home already, his head was probably already up his arse, working full time midnight shift, and just wanted to get dog a good home. Nothing more, that simple. Some human lower than life human animal came along, saw an opportunity and had nothing to lose. Personally, I hope they died a miserable death slowly and a long time ago.
I Was an Officer at scene, and believe me there was nothing more than a newspaper ad for dog adoption, a response by some piece of sxxxxtlawsuit seeker, and a dead animal, after the stress of months of going to court trying to keep the animal alive. Fake licenses, pictures of property that are not yours where dog is supposedly going to reside are real easy to obtain. Dog put down, Judge ordered a $10,000 verdict for pain and suffering, even though potential owner lied, hopefully if their is a higher power, the potential owners children all died of cancer too. Beautiful loving animal put down for 10,000 cash. What a shame. And that is being kind. And no, I don't think that people like that should be allowed to breed, so please save negative comments, My opinion.
I Was an Officer at scene, and believe me there was nothing more than a newspaper ad for dog adoption, a response by some piece of sxxxxtlawsuit seeker, and a dead animal, after the stress of months of going to court trying to keep the animal alive. Fake licenses, pictures of property that are not yours where dog is supposedly going to reside are real easy to obtain. Dog put down, Judge ordered a $10,000 verdict for pain and suffering, even though potential owner lied, hopefully if their is a higher power, the potential owners children all died of cancer too. Beautiful loving animal put down for 10,000 cash. What a shame. And that is being kind. And no, I don't think that people like that should be allowed to breed, so please save negative comments, My opinion.
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What many people fail to understand is certain breeds of dogs are not covered under their owners homeowner insurance.
Owners that allow their dogs to roam off their property is asking for additional liability for not keeping the dog in a fenced yard.
I have three Yorkies and a Sheltie and none are biters or vicious but they all stay on this property.
Dogs are not just aggressive toward bicycle riders but also joggers, walkers and other dogs.
A good taser is handy to carry for dogs and less lethal.
Owners that allow their dogs to roam off their property is asking for additional liability for not keeping the dog in a fenced yard.
I have three Yorkies and a Sheltie and none are biters or vicious but they all stay on this property.
Dogs are not just aggressive toward bicycle riders but also joggers, walkers and other dogs.
A good taser is handy to carry for dogs and less lethal.
Beans
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I am not in favor of any dog running loose, but I have been in situations where I wanted to get out of my car and bite the bicyclist for ignoring the rules of the road, weaving in and out of the lanes of traffic, running red lights when you have the right-a way to turn right on a red light, or just plain running the red light.
Just as there are irresponsible dog owners there are irresponsible bicyclist.
If you have a bike lane only then use it.
Just as there are irresponsible dog owners there are irresponsible bicyclist.
If you have a bike lane only then use it.
Protected One
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One failed experience with canned spray is all it took to convince me not to rely on it. I was working for a utility company doing field work after a storm when a rotwilder caught me by surprise. The company issued spray was clipped to my belt, and I gave him a face full ot it - to no effect! Thank God for the high voltage "hot stick" we were also required to carry.
My biking days are for the most part over, but were I a regular biker I would certainly be carrying. And if someones dog (kid or not) chose to attack me I wouldn't be thinking about anything but accurate shots...let the owner suffer from the carelessnes of his actions - not me.
My biking days are for the most part over, but were I a regular biker I would certainly be carrying. And if someones dog (kid or not) chose to attack me I wouldn't be thinking about anything but accurate shots...let the owner suffer from the carelessnes of his actions - not me.
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