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I have not seen the entire law Tennessee just passed. I do know that it does not apply to long guns, but it does increase penalties for gun violations. At my local shooting range one of the RSO's told me that he believes 75% of the folks who have taken their carry permit classes actually do not regularly carry. Also when at the range, I constantly hear RSO's telling folks keep weapon pointed down range. So now I have a concern that while folks can buy small arms and carry without a permit what is the level of safety are going to be??
Scharfschuetzer
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I didn't realize that 20 states now have right to carry laws. I see that Wyoming just passed a similar law.
No doubt these 20 states have per capita crime rates way below the draconian anti-gun states.
No doubt these 20 states have per capita crime rates way below the draconian anti-gun states.
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As a RSO, I can tell you that I see far too many people in the range that have no idea how to properly handle a firearm. I'm of the opinion, based on what I see, that the level of safety will go down initially. Hopefully I'm wrong.
I love that Tennessee did this. I can't wait to move there, but that unfortunately requires my Mother-in-law to pass, so it won't be for a while.
To those that are concerned about the level of competency of those owning or carrying guns, I don't see that in the Second Amendment. There aren't that many words in it, so I'm pretty sure it's not there.
We're a country founded on personal responsibility. The roads aren't any more safe because you have to take a test and have a drivers license. Just watch the cop shows. Most of the people pulled over for driving poorly have no license. Once again, personal responsibility.
To those that are concerned about the level of competency of those owning or carrying guns, I don't see that in the Second Amendment. There aren't that many words in it, so I'm pretty sure it's not there.
We're a country founded on personal responsibility. The roads aren't any more safe because you have to take a test and have a drivers license. Just watch the cop shows. Most of the people pulled over for driving poorly have no license. Once again, personal responsibility.
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Amen Brother but that I know is that it's very difficult to live on "HOPE"
Always believed that you can "Hope" in one hand and do something else in the other and see which one fills up first!
Actually, Wyoming dropped the permit requirement for residents some years ago. The new statute extends that to non-residents. Bottom line, if you can legally own a firearm you can carry it in Wyoming, open or concealed, regardless of where you're from.
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"To those that are concerned about the level of competency of those owning or carrying guns, I don't see that in the Second Amendment. There aren't that many words in it, so I'm pretty sure it's not there."
Our first 2 casualties after we landed in Vietnam were a cook and a corpsman with 45's in so called accidental discharges..
So please let's not forget safety first when you carry a weapon ...
Our first 2 casualties after we landed in Vietnam were a cook and a corpsman with 45's in so called accidental discharges..
So please let's not forget safety first when you carry a weapon ...
Like I said, personal responsibility.
The term "personal responsibility" is both racist and hate speech; you should be ashamed of yourself!
max503
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It must be nice to not have to jump through hoops.
The hassle we get from the State of Illinois never ends. I think they create bureaucracies in order to create jobs for their constituents.
We have a constant stream of fees, classes, renewals, etc., to deal with.
Sometimes I think they do it to discourage people from applying for a permit.
The hassle we get from the State of Illinois never ends. I think they create bureaucracies in order to create jobs for their constituents.
We have a constant stream of fees, classes, renewals, etc., to deal with.
Sometimes I think they do it to discourage people from applying for a permit.
I hope Ohio does the same soon....
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You will never see that reported in the news if true
I've taken three carry permit classes thus far, as well as hunter safety.
The live fire section of the courses that required it makes me laugh at the people suggesting we need carry courses/permits for safety. The gun handling at the end of a sixteen hour class ruining my weekend is no better than it was at the start.
Congrats to TN, carry permits serve to gatekeep defensive carry to those well enough off to pay for a class and take off scarce time.
The live fire section of the courses that required it makes me laugh at the people suggesting we need carry courses/permits for safety. The gun handling at the end of a sixteen hour class ruining my weekend is no better than it was at the start.
Congrats to TN, carry permits serve to gatekeep defensive carry to those well enough off to pay for a class and take off scarce time.
Every time a state passes constitutional carry, I see the same 'sky is falling' worries. They have never materialized.
Illinois had its chance when the court ruled its ban on concealed carry unconstitutional.
I am surprised at several of the responses in this thread. First off, you in no way can compare not having a valid drivers license to not having a CCW permit. They are two entirely different issues. Most of the "no drivers license" violations police officers encounter aren't that a violator simply doesn't have a drivers license, the violators license has been suspended or revoked. In essence they had a license at one time, but for whatever reason they lost it, not that they never had one so that is a foolish argument.
We shoot ourselves in the foot when we eliminate any type of training requirement for people obtaining their first firearm or for a CCW permit. And please don't give me that bull**** that the 2nd Amendment doesn't require it. We are talking about handling a firearm in a safe manner and that safety will no doubt extend to other individuals, not just the new gun owner. Do you really want someone living next door to you fooling around with their new Glock trying make it safe?? How many rounds do you want coming thru your house before you say enough? This **** happens all the time and is rarely made public unless an injury or death occurred.
I just had a gentleman over to my place a few days ago to show him some of the steps in reloading ammunition and discovered that he just bought a Glock M19, but had not gone to the range with it. He has never owned a firearm of any kind before and had no idea how it operated or even how to properly hold it. It was more than clear that he was somewhat embarrassed by his lack of experience in this regard, so my impromptu reloading session turned into a safe firearms handling session. And yes he read the owners manual several times but there is no replacement for hands-on training regardless of what the 2nd Amendment has to say so don't throw that argument on the table cuz it don't hunt.
While I was still gainfully employed in law enforcement I trained untold numbers of recruits in proper firearms handling and use. Over the years there was an obvious change in recruits and their in-coming firearms knowledge and experience. Where once the majority of our recruits had firearms familiarity the later ones did not. More than a few times some were completely unknowing of firearms and were dreading the firearms portion of their Academy training and had developed an innate fear of firearms. These individual needed some extra TLC to overcome their fear and even with the extra attention some still made mistakes some serious and others not. Those that couldn't overcome their fear were released from training even though they might have made good officers. The point is you can't just look the other way and not give or mandate safe firearms training based on the argument that the 2nd Amendment doesn't require it. No doubt when the 2nd Amendment was written it was a given fact people were somewhat familiar with safe firearms handling as many people hunted to survive. Not so today.
I find it interesting sometimes just sitting back and watching people at ranges and what they do, or don't do. Similar to watching people at an airport in a way. All sorts of mistakes are made on or at public ranges but by the Grace of God few of these mistakes result in injuries or worse. Things are different today and if we don't police ourselves it becomes more difficult to preserve our pastime. Sorry if I don't agree with some of the others here, but basic firearms training for new shooters and gun owners is a must in my book. Every unwanted discharge that results in an injury or death is another nail in the coffin of the 2nd Amendment. Many of these incidents, that we rarely hear about, but take place, can be avoided by mandatory training for new shooters and gun owners. We lost a range in my area not too long ago because stupid people did stupid things with guns and no one saw the truck of anti-gun sentiment that hit them. Now they are all crying in their beer about losing their range. Life isn't always fair and the majority always suffer for the actions of a few.
So go ahead and use the cover of the 2nd Amendment as a replacement for mandatory safe firearms handling and one day you will ask for the license plate number of the truck that hit you when you lose your range or worse. If we can prevent one ugly incident from happening through proper firearms training we will have scored a small victory, but to say no one should have to go through a firearms safety course is pathetic.
Rick H.
We shoot ourselves in the foot when we eliminate any type of training requirement for people obtaining their first firearm or for a CCW permit. And please don't give me that bull**** that the 2nd Amendment doesn't require it. We are talking about handling a firearm in a safe manner and that safety will no doubt extend to other individuals, not just the new gun owner. Do you really want someone living next door to you fooling around with their new Glock trying make it safe?? How many rounds do you want coming thru your house before you say enough? This **** happens all the time and is rarely made public unless an injury or death occurred.
I just had a gentleman over to my place a few days ago to show him some of the steps in reloading ammunition and discovered that he just bought a Glock M19, but had not gone to the range with it. He has never owned a firearm of any kind before and had no idea how it operated or even how to properly hold it. It was more than clear that he was somewhat embarrassed by his lack of experience in this regard, so my impromptu reloading session turned into a safe firearms handling session. And yes he read the owners manual several times but there is no replacement for hands-on training regardless of what the 2nd Amendment has to say so don't throw that argument on the table cuz it don't hunt.
While I was still gainfully employed in law enforcement I trained untold numbers of recruits in proper firearms handling and use. Over the years there was an obvious change in recruits and their in-coming firearms knowledge and experience. Where once the majority of our recruits had firearms familiarity the later ones did not. More than a few times some were completely unknowing of firearms and were dreading the firearms portion of their Academy training and had developed an innate fear of firearms. These individual needed some extra TLC to overcome their fear and even with the extra attention some still made mistakes some serious and others not. Those that couldn't overcome their fear were released from training even though they might have made good officers. The point is you can't just look the other way and not give or mandate safe firearms training based on the argument that the 2nd Amendment doesn't require it. No doubt when the 2nd Amendment was written it was a given fact people were somewhat familiar with safe firearms handling as many people hunted to survive. Not so today.
I find it interesting sometimes just sitting back and watching people at ranges and what they do, or don't do. Similar to watching people at an airport in a way. All sorts of mistakes are made on or at public ranges but by the Grace of God few of these mistakes result in injuries or worse. Things are different today and if we don't police ourselves it becomes more difficult to preserve our pastime. Sorry if I don't agree with some of the others here, but basic firearms training for new shooters and gun owners is a must in my book. Every unwanted discharge that results in an injury or death is another nail in the coffin of the 2nd Amendment. Many of these incidents, that we rarely hear about, but take place, can be avoided by mandatory training for new shooters and gun owners. We lost a range in my area not too long ago because stupid people did stupid things with guns and no one saw the truck of anti-gun sentiment that hit them. Now they are all crying in their beer about losing their range. Life isn't always fair and the majority always suffer for the actions of a few.
So go ahead and use the cover of the 2nd Amendment as a replacement for mandatory safe firearms handling and one day you will ask for the license plate number of the truck that hit you when you lose your range or worse. If we can prevent one ugly incident from happening through proper firearms training we will have scored a small victory, but to say no one should have to go through a firearms safety course is pathetic.
Rick H.
Nevertheless, a Constitutional right is just that. Driving is a privilege not a right, thus states can mandate training and licensing. The Second Amendment is a right that "shall not be infringed" thus states are prohibited from mandated training and licensing.
Perhaps our betters in government should spend as much money publicly promoting a culture of gun safety and responsibility as they do promoting face diapers. Imagine 20 commercials a day promoting gun safety.
I do however tend to agree with you on your point; at least half the people driving are a menace to society and have no right to be on the road, training and licensing not withstanding. Irresponsible people will always be that way. Mandatory licenses won't change that.
Blood on the streets from lack of training! Just like how every fender bender was going to result in a gunfight after CCW started becoming legalized in more and more states. It hasn't happened, will not happen, and CCW "training" (the state-mandated classes) are a joke. You're not going to make someone a proficient gun handler in an 8 or 16 hour two day class that everyone passes, you're just making it harder on people with less cash or spare time.
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