N Frame Pre War Magnas RM Number?

[YeshuaIsa53]

I must agree with RKmesa, and I'm far from any kind of expert on the subject. His definition just makes sense.....at least to me.

As one who dabbles in stamps, we all need guidelines to go by in collecting.

I think definitions and generally-accepted guidelines make things simpler, not more difficult, when collecting. I also think those decisions should be made by those with the most experience, rather than everyone's opinion(however important they may be).

That said, Think I'll pop some popcorn...

 

[handejector]

What I see in the book a few early prototypes or club guns were assembled in 1934-35. Serial numbers 0372 and 0373 and serial number 45808 with no registration number sent to Springfield armory in early 1935. So that being said the Standard Catalog is correct on the 1935-1941 date for non-registered magnums and I don't give a flying rats behind what anyone else says.

I finally checked out the book.
I'll confess that I have not read the whole SCSW. I look stuff up that I'm not familiar with. I seldom look up what I am familiar with.
So, I figured I should see what you were referring to.
Pic attached.
It's a damn shame this didn't come up earlier. I'm sure Jim and Rick would want to correct that for Book 4, but I'm fairly sure it has gone to press.
You're referring to a misprint.
It DOES say 1935-41. However, that contradicts all other printed sources. It contradicts all the advanced collectors of our era who spent the time and effort and money to amass the great collections of Pre-War Magnums.
So, stick to it if you want to.
We could call it the "Misprint Position" on Pre-War mags.

 

[lowhog]

The First Magnum by Roy Jinks, read on. You boys are dead wrong. Non registered magnums were exported from 1935 on. The Standard Catalog is correct and does not contradict other articles. Misprint my you know what!!!

 

[lowhog]

Sorry for the poor second picture.

 

[lowhog]

I think my math is correct. 5,632 pre war magnums manufactured between 1935 and 1939. 5404 were registered.

 

[gripper]

Low hog, In today's collecting world there is not one person, other than yourself, that considers the early .357s with no registration number Non Registered Magnums. Those guns are considered "experimental .357s" or if they have a serial number that starts with "0" then they are considered "club guns". I'm not disputing Roy's information, but in this day and age it is easily taken out of context. The simple fact of the matter is, it's experimental .357s (1935), Registered Magnums (1935-1939), and Non Registered Magnums (1939-1943)...... Nuff said!

 

[lowhog]

Low hog, In today's collecting world there is not one person, other than yourself, that considers the early .357s with no registration number Non Registered Magnums. Those guns are considered "experimental .357s" or if they have a serial number that starts with "0" then ther are considered "club guns". I'm not disputing Roy's information, but in this day and age it is easily taken out of context. The simple fact of the matter is, it's experimental .357s (1935), Registered Magnums (1935-1940), and Non Registered Magnums (1940-1943)...... Nuff said!

Gripper the two that shipped to Springfield and guns exported do count. I'm not the only one in the collecting world that thinks this way add Jinks and Supica to the list smart boy. Read The first Magnum. Nuff Said!!!

 

[lowhog]

I wonder why Gripper changed his manufacturing dates?

 

[gripper]

That's me!! I wonder why Gripper changed his manufacturing dates?

Because Gripper caught that he typed 1940 instead of 1939.......

 

[handejector]

The First Magnum by Roy Jinks, read on. You boys are dead wrong. Non registered magnums were exported from 1935 on. The Standard Catalog is correct and does not contradict other articles. Misprint my you know what!!!View attachment 219952

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Ya got me.
Roy says what he says.
I read that article about 15 years ago. I should read more so I would know more, but I stay too busy actually handling these stupid ol guns.
I forgot Roy has said the exported guns were not registered. I haven't seen any export guns.
Does anyone have any of them, or are they still hiding outside the US?
I still don't really consider the exports to be what we think of as Non-Registered magnums. They're a rather unique class that could be called...... I dunno.......maybe "Export Guns"?

I've seen some of the 0 numbered prototypes/club guns. That's what they are- Prototypes and Club Guns given to VIPs to get the word out and generate feedback.
Then, the factory made Reg Mags from 35 to 39, with some exported guns that may or may not have had REG numbers stamped on them.
Then, in 39, they quit the REG process and tried to standardize the offerings.

I'll pretty much keep taking what Magnums come my way. I think I can figure out what each gun is by looking at it, and hopefully verifying its config with the letter and docs. If I can't figure out what it is then, I don't think the book will help.

 

[handejector]

I think I cleaned up all the stuff.
You guys can bat it around some more IF you stay nice.
Don't insult any farm animals, motorcyles, or states.
I'm outa here- it's Christmas!

 

[crsides]

Well, that certainly was fun.


Charlie

 

[lowhog]

Ya got me.
Roy says what he says.
I read that article about 15 years ago. I should read more so I would know more, but I stay too busy actually handling these stupid ol guns.
I forgot Roy has said the exported guns were not registered. I haven't seen any export guns.
Does anyone have any of them, or are they still hiding outside the US?
I still don't really consider the exports to be what we think of as Non-Registered magnums. They're a rather unique class that could be called...... I dunno.......maybe "Export Guns"?

I've seen some of the 0 numbered prototypes/club guns. That's what they are- Prototypes and Club Guns given to VIPs to get the word out and generate feedback.
Then, the factory made Reg Mags from 35 to 39, with some exported guns that may or may not have had REG numbers stamped on them.
Then, in 39, they quit the REG process and tried to standardize the offerings.

I'll pretty much keep taking what Magnums come my way. I think I can figure out what each gun is by looking at it, and hopefully verifying its config with the letter and docs. If I can't figure out what it is then, I don't think the book will help.

Why would you see exported non registered .357 mags? you live in the USA. Do you think 41 or so non-registered mags exported in 1935-1937 would make their way back to the USA? Not likely.