Nano vs Shield

To my shagrin I have to report I started getting the dreaded FTF malfunctions with my Nano at round count 1000. The little pistol was perfect prior to that with everything that should have caused a FTF (failure to feed) malfunction. These malfunctions started occurring with my carry ammo Federal 147grn HST and also my practise Winchester 124 grn Nato Ball. The FTF is the type of malfunction that will get you killed in a real world defensive situation, and the Nano with no external slide lock is a pain to clear when this occurred.
So to all those thinking about a Nano, I can no longer recommend one.
 
Wow, that was an unexpected end to your story.

As to pocket carry, I have zero problems pocket carrying the Shield 40 using Desantis Nemesis pocket holster. Heavy and bulky the first few minutes, then with all day use, I forget it is in my pocket until I touch it. After trying different methods of gripping gun in pocket, as well as slightly different angles to pull, stock sights always clear, and draw is about 1 second.
 
I'm just glad these malfunctions occurred it was at the range and not on the street, I am really disappointed.
 
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To my shagrin I have to report I started getting the dreaded FTF malfunctions with my Nano at round count 1000. The little pistol was perfect prior to that with everything that should have caused a FTF (failure to feed) malfunction. These malfunctions started occurring with my carry ammo Federal 147grn HST and also my practise Winchester 124 grn Nato Ball. The FTF is the type of malfunction that will get you killed in a real world defensive situation, and the Nano with no external slide lock is a pain to clear when this occurred.
So to all those thinking about a Nano, I can no longer recommend one.

Mag318

I hope you post your Nano experience on the Beretta forum. It still bugs me Beretta marketed the Nano on Youtube as flawless after 1, 000 rounds and stripped of all lubrication.

I admit I got caught up after watching the video and bought one of the first Nanos but my experience after 1, 300 rounds was nothing close to the Beretta video. What an embarassing marketing ploy.

Russ
 
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Russ, I did post on the Beretta forum. I firmly believe the Nano is a flawed design. The Shield and even my new Springfield XDs though larger a much better pistols. I've had a several decades long experience with Beretta and I still have high regard for their 92 and PX4 series. The Nano is another story.
 
It seems to me if you fire a pistol a 1000 times without failure and all of a sudden you begin to have failures... somethings wrong. A broken extractor perhaps??? Have you contacted Beretta about them looking at it? Not poo pooing your issue, because I believe it's real.

I have a Nano, not a Shield, but I do have an M&P9C. One reason I didn't get the Shield is because I'm left-handed. I thought the trigger was a bit light to carry it with it chambered and the safety off. Now that I have my M&P (no safety), I probably could deal with that better.

My Nano is markedly more accurate than my M&P, but the M&P points naturally and feels good in my hand. I really love both of these firearms for different reasons. My Nano has been rock solid, but so was yours... until... I'd be interested in knowing if Beretta is interested in resolving the problem you experienced.
 
FTF is not a problem

Any pistol can fail. Most NANOs will function flawlessly with thousands of rounds. If you read other blogs, you'll see plenty of SHIELDs fail for various reasons far BEFORE 1000 rounds were fired.

The fact is, both pistols are very well made designs.
The Nano failures occurred primarily with low serial numbered pistols and they have been corrected.

Combat Handguns Magazine after having tested the NANO said it's design is LIGHT YEARS AHEAD of other makes. P 95 Nov. 2012. I may not go that far, but I admit that there are a number of innovations and it is not, like its competition, a 20th century pistol. It is really a 21st century pistol that is competitive size wise with any other and better than some costing quite a bit more. It is not merely an evolutionary design, but one can reasonably argue, it is revolutionary...and safer!

Regardless, the Smith is a fine, modern handgun, has initially better pointing ergos, however it is too large for pocket carry - and I'd add, even for most daily or home carry. While I own the BG380 that I bought for such use, I decided that a 9 is more appropriate for defense.

The NANO fits the bill over the others I had considered, the Kahr was a problem from the get go and Kahr could never cure the issues with its two decades old design. Also, the three dot Trijicons from Beretta are very easy to instal. Because two thirds of defense gun fights occur at night, these sights are mandatory. Lastly, regardless the comments made by a few, most failures to feed are due to limp wristing, not bad ammo.

I've used 115 gr. almost exclusively...the only FTF I had was during the first magazine set, none after. DPX works fine and it is a great, high penetration combat ammo.

My take on the NANO is Thumbs Up!
 
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Mag318, Good report. The Shield and Nano were not around when I bought my Kahr PM40. I have been waiting to get my hands on a Shield to compare it to my Kahr PM40 (which I love). I carry my PM from wake up to nighty night time. I shoot it alot and know it well. As most of you know, the PM's have been around for awhile and were always the smallest lightest carry in semi 40's. My PM has a match grade barrel, night sights, a CTL, 4 larger capacity mags (6 rds) and 1 small capacity mag (5 rds), double and single leather G&G mag pouches for all mags, leather pocket holster, Remora IWB, G&G leather thumb break holster. To switch over from my PM to the Shield is something I am willing to do, but the Shield would need to be significantly better, if I am to retool all accessories from the PM to the Shield. The Kahr is very accurate and I was shooting IDPA with it until I purchased the M&P40Pro. Just brought the Pro home this week and have not shot it yet, but already love it. I am thinking that sticking with the S&W series would benefit me...particularly for a similar trigger and going all M&P. Therefore, I would love to hold and shoot the Shield side by side to compare it to my PM, which has a nice smooth DAO trigger. I would not need both guns which makes this a tough decision, but one I hope to make in the coming year. The M&P22 is also on my hit list for a future purchase....soon I hope. (I am sure the Nano is a nice gun too...as you reported).

Again, thanks for your review and comparison, which made me relate to my thoughts on comparing the Shield to my Kahr PM. It is all a very personal choice.
 

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I had a Beretta Nano. I am a huge fan. It was hands-down the most accurate small pistol I've ever had or shot. It was 100% with all the ammo that I put through it. It was very obviously built ruggedly, and extremely concealable. I loved almost everything about it.

But I sold it. It just wasn't right for me because the grip was just too small for my hands. Because Beretta promised +2 mag extenders when they released the pistol, Pearce and other companies won't build anything for it. But Beretta hasn't released them. I called and emailed the company over and over - and they have a slot for the extensions on their website, but the last time I saw a timeframe for releasing them to the public, it March or April, and they said they'd have them out by "Oct 2012".

Based on what I saw, if they ever get the mag extensions out, or if a 3d party produces some... I will absolutely buy another. In a minute.

I know there are complaints about reliability - Mag318, I'd wonder if you might need a new recoil spring, but 1000-1200 rounds seems mighty premature for that... to me. I didn't put that many through mine.
 
After my first couple of flawless range sessions with the Nano I really liked it, especially it's size. Many on the Beretta Forum reported FTF malfunctions, and being mindful of these I watched it closely. The little Nano functioned perfectly with everything I shot through it, I was impressed with it's accuracy and liked the trigger. Then out of nowhere these hard to clear malfunctions started occurring. I now refer to the Nano as a flawed design and that flaw is the lack of an external slide lock. The FTF or FTE malfunctions I was getting the fired case wasn't ejected and the followup round had nowhere to go. This is the worse type of malfunction to get IMO and is hard to clear quickly since you can't manually lock the slide to the rear. If Beretta ever upgrades the design they should incorporate an external slide stop. They advertise the pistol being super thin without one, but the addition wouldn't make that much difference. Look at the Shield or Springfields XDs, they both have a slide lock and are just as thin. Any pistol can malfunction but it should be easy to clear quickly, the Nano isn't. To bad as it's otherwise a nice pistol, I just won't be carrying one anymore.
With concealed carry now in all states (except the Land of Lincoln) the market for these small semiautos has been lucrative. We have a lot of good choices out there, that said there is a good reason for the recurring popularity of the J frame.
 
I appreciated the informative review (and subsequent follow-up) on these two pistols, mag318. I hope what you suspect regarding the cause of the Nano's eventual malfunctions (design defect) isn't true because that's the hardest thing to "fix". Things like poor workmanship and tired springs can be dealt with by the shooter much more readily than a design defect.
I also agree that an external slide hold-open feature (even if the slide isn't being held back after the last shot-ala Ruger LCP) is especially noteworthy in the event of a malfunction.
 
I am a fan of Beretta guns and own a u22 Neos, and when I realized how long of a wait the Shield was going to be I debated buying a Nano. After reading reviews in magazines, forums, and other places, I decided to hold off and stick to the Shield. Very glad I did, and maybe some day I will own both, but for now it seems as though the negative reviews of the Nano outweigh those of the Shield.
 
Gauger, In many ways I still prefer revolvers for CCW. It's either loaded or unloaded with no worries as to is one in the pipe or not. Get a bad round you just pull the trigger again, revolvers are reliable with all ammunition no matter the bullet weight.

Agree - I have a 627PC snub and never think twice....plus it just looks cool!
 
Based on what I saw, if they ever get the mag extensions out, or if a 3d party produces some... I will absolutely buy another. In a minute.

The 8-round extended magazines are available now. I ordered one yesterday. The first release was quickly snapped up, but they are (or were) back in stock. There will also be a kit to convert the existing 6-round magazines to 8. I understand that in the future they will ship with one 6 and one 8 round magazine, but that's rumor as far as I know.
 
Any pistol can fail. Most NANOs will function flawlessly with thousands of rounds. If you read other blogs, you'll see plenty of SHIELDs fail for various reasons far BEFORE 1000 rounds were fired.

The fact is, both pistols are very well made designs.
The Nano failures occurred primarily with low serial numbered pistols and they have been corrected.

Combat Handguns Magazine after having tested the NANO said it's design is LIGHT YEARS AHEAD of other makes. P 95 Nov. 2012. I may not go that far, but I admit that there are a number of innovations and it is not, like its competition, a 20th century pistol. It is really a 21st century pistol that is competitive size wise with any other and better than some costing quite a bit more. It is not merely an evolutionary design, but one can reasonably argue, it is revolutionary...and safer!

Regardless, the Smith is a fine, modern handgun, has initially better pointing ergos, however it is too large for pocket carry - and I'd add, even for most daily or home carry. While I own the BG380 that I bought for such use, I decided that a 9 is more appropriate for defense.

The NANO fits the bill over the others I had considered, the Kahr was a problem from the get go and Kahr could never cure the issues with its two decades old design. Also, the three dot Trijicons from Beretta are very easy to instal. Because two thirds of defense gun fights occur at night, these sights are mandatory. Lastly, regardless the comments made by a few, most failures to feed are due to limp wristing, not bad ammo.

I've used 115 gr. almost exclusively...the only FTF I had was during the first magazine set, none after. DPX works fine and it is a great, high penetration combat ammo.

My take on the NANO is Thumbs Up!
I agree. :)
I have a full size M&P 9mm and wanted a Shield to back it up/compliment it but they are still nearly impossible to obtain, at least not without paying over MSRP for it.
So I took delivery of my new Nano two weeks ago, cleaned all of the excessive factory oil out of it, lightly re-oiled it and got it to the range this past Sunday and it performed flawlessly with the cheapest ammo I could find (Wolf) as well some American Eagle and Herter's aluminum case (all 115gr only) and I too found it SHOCKINGLY accurate and easy to shoot for such a small pistol.
Yes it was only about 175 rounds total but that was a mix of steel, brass and aluminum cased ammo in the 'supposedly dreaded' 115gr weight and EVERY round fired and ejected without one issue.
I still want a Shield because I think it's an amazing CCW pistol but this Nano is a 'keeper' as well.
 
The 8-round extended magazines are available now. I ordered one yesterday. The first release was quickly snapped up, but they are (or were) back in stock. There will also be a kit to convert the existing 6-round magazines to 8. I understand that in the future they will ship with one 6 and one 8 round magazine, but that's rumor as far as I know.
You beat me to it LOL, I was just about to post this as well. :D
The 8 rounders have actually been available for over a month now but they literally sell out of stock in just minutes (just like M&P Shields LOL).
They were showing in stock on Beretta's site last week so I decided to order two of them. As I was in the process of placing an order, I happened to change screens for like two minutes to check on something else and when I came back to check out they were already gone LOL.
There were 500 in stock yesterday (I had called and talked to a rep about something else) so I finally got my order in (they shipped and will be here Monday) but checked again last night and all 500 were GONE! :eek:
I already love the gun even with only the 6 rounder in there but I can't wait to see just how awesome it feels with my pinky finger on there as well as the 8 round mags WILL allow for that. :cool:
 
Any pistol can fail. Most NANOs will function flawlessly with thousands of rounds. If you read other blogs, you'll see plenty of SHIELDs fail for various reasons far BEFORE 1000 rounds were fired.

The fact is, both pistols are very well made designs.
The Nano failures occurred primarily with low serial numbered pistols and they have been corrected.

Combat Handguns Magazine after having tested the NANO said it's design is LIGHT YEARS AHEAD of other makes. P 95 Nov. 2012. I may not go that far, but I admit that there are a number of innovations and it is not, like its competition, a 20th century pistol. It is really a 21st century pistol that is competitive size wise with any other and better than some costing quite a bit more. It is not merely an evolutionary design, but one can reasonably argue, it is revolutionary...and safer!

Regardless, the Smith is a fine, modern handgun, has initially better pointing ergos, however it is too large for pocket carry - and I'd add, even for most daily or home carry. While I own the BG380 that I bought for such use, I decided that a 9 is more appropriate for defense.

The NANO fits the bill over the others I had considered, the Kahr was a problem from the get go and Kahr could never cure the issues with its two decades old design. Also, the three dot Trijicons from Beretta are very easy to instal. Because two thirds of defense gun fights occur at night, these sights are mandatory. Lastly, regardless the comments made by a few, most failures to feed are due to limp wristing, not bad ammo.

I've used 115 gr. almost exclusively...the only FTF I had was during the first magazine set, none after. DPX works fine and it is a great, high penetration combat ammo.

My take on the NANO is Thumbs Up!

AGB

I would be interested in those links for Shield failures.

I believe the best link for any gun is the forum dedicated to the specific gun.

I spent months on the Beretta forum and I speak from experience when I say the Nano does not measure up to the Shield in reliability.

Checkout Beretta forum posts beginning Nov 2011 forward and count the number of failure posts. Compare same length of time for Shield on this forum beginning April 2012.

There is a reason Shields are selling on Gun Broker above retail and the improved (high serial number) Nanos are selling below suggested retail.

I really wanted my Nano which I shot 1, 300 rounds through work because the weapon is built solid but in the end reliability is why I own a ccw and that is why I own a Shield and my Nano found another home.

Russ

P.S. FYI Many on this forum pocket pack our Shields and for your information the Nano loaded with 6 rounds is only 1 ounce lighter than the Shield loaded with 7 rounds.
 
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I had a Nano one of the early ones I really wanted to like it it is a great size and I love my 92SF compact. I had some FTE early with 115's switched to 124's and they stopped. I had only one other problem with it, I could not hit the broad side of a barn if I was standing inside it. So when I hear and read how accurate they are I have to think maybe there was something wrong with it. I also wanted a Shield but can't find one. I have an XDS and a Sig P938 and both are very accurate. The 938 just disapears into my pocket (Levi;s) 34" I have left 32" behind somewhere in my 40's. Some day I will have to try the nano again for now I am happy with the 938, XDS and the sweetest shooting 3" 1911 (a S & W Pro).
 
All good points, one's CCW has to be spot on reliable/dependable.
But I do have to add, I'd still rather actually own/carry a pistol that is very likely reliable instead of NOT being able to carry another potentially slightly more reliable one simply because you cannot locate/purchase it ANYWHERE.
There are options other than just these two of course but this thread is specifically about them (ie: Nano and Shield).
Heck, I'd rather carry a Taurus PT22 versus NOT carrying an M&P Shield that hasn't even been manufactured yet LOL. :D ;)
 
All good points, one's CCW has to be spot on reliable/dependable.
But I do have to add, I'd still rather actually own/carry a pistol that is very likely reliable instead of NOT being able to carry another potentially slightly more reliable one simply because you cannot locate/purchase it ANYWHERE.
There are options other than just these two of course but this thread is specifically about them (ie: Nano and Shield).
Heck, I'd rather carry a Taurus PT22 versus NOT carrying an M&P Shield that hasn't even been manufactured yet LOL. :D ;)

I know for many the Shield is like Santa. Does the Shield really exist?

Yes the Shield exist and if you have been good you may find one in your stocking.
 
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