Nasty rumor at local G/S

[Out West]

Homeland Security - another Federal law enforcement agency. Won't be much longer and everyone will have a badge. With all the protection the government provides, I don't feel any more secure.

Out West

 

[ENGINE18]

200 million!

 

[WR Moore]

A lot of dealer/workers just tune out the BS as background noise. I remember 2 guys shopping for .45 slugs and one claiming that lead bullets would wear out a 1911 barrel. My buddy looked serenely disinterested and sold them their jacketed ball-and he'd burned 10K lead .45 so far that year that I knew about and more before.

What drove me out of my mind was ditherers who'd keep asking the same questions different ways and folks who just couldn't wrap their minds around something that seemed simple.

 

[n4zov]

Since the Department of Homeland Security has about 200,000 total employees that would mean they ordered enough for every employee to have 45,000 rounds! Given that most of those employees aren't carrying firearms, I doubt the story.

 

[DC7]

According to the g/s homeland security has an order in for 9 billion rds. Thats right he said 9 billion and not 9 million rds.

According to the NRA, the entire U.S. ammunition market is 9 billion rounds per year, up from 7 billion before the recent surge in ammo sales. As Firehouse mentioned, the Homeland Security contract covered up to 200 million rounds--and that was over five years, which means their average annual purchase would be just 40 million rounds. That's less than one-half of one percent of annual ammo sales in the U.S. Put another way, at the rate manufacturers are currently churning out ammunition, Homeland Security's entire annual purchase would take up just 1.6 days worth of ammo production.

 

[C J]

My favorite BS moment in a gun store since the election came when the woman behind the counter (co-owner of the store no less) told me that ammo is just going to keep going up and up so I should buy as much as I could right now. When I told her I could buy the .22 ammo she was trying to sell me for half that price just a few doors up the road (at Wally World) she said, "Where? I will buy all they have if they have it that low." Yeah right. I'm going to tell you where to buy ammo for half the price you're selling it for so you can go buy it and put it on your shelves for double the price you paid for it. Shesssh! And she didn't even have the sense to realize I was talking about Walmart. I went up to WW and bought a good supply of the same ammo before she figured it out. Every other store in the area is a really good place to buy stuff. I have a source for every kind of ammo I want. It just isn't all at the same shop. But I'll never give those people another nickel. I have enough ammo to last until Judgement Day anyway. To think I bought a rather expensive Sig from that shop but at least it was before they bought the store. I wouldn't expect them to lift a finger to help me with any problems with that gun if I had any even though the sign on the store is still the same.

 

[RDub]

I want to know where all the stinkin .357 Mag ammo is...Or where it's goin!

 

[Viper7]

I want to know where all the stinkin .357 Mag ammo is...Or where it's goin!

The last two times I was in WM, my bank is there, they had everything - everything, that is, except what I needed. 45 ACP ball

 

[WFR]

I want to know where all the stinkin .357 Mag ammo is...Or where it's goin!

This!
I haven't seen factory .357 on a store shelf in several months and not in quantity since early last year.
I'm just going to reload.

 

[Smokester653]

Where is the .357 magnum ammo???

Must all be in South Carolina. I haven't had any problems getting either .38 or .357 magnum. It's not at Wal-Mart I will say but our local gunstores have plenty.

 

[clint_lnl]

the past 2 weeks wally world is fully stocked up and the local gun stores have everything at normal prices.

 

[bobelk99]

Ky supply

Ky supply is still spotty, with the except of 45 practice ammo. There is essentially no 45 practice on the shelves. When it shows up, it is about 50$ a C

 

[Texasflyboy]

Winchester to Deliver 200 Million 40-Cal. Rounds to Homeland Security

IDIQ Contract = Indefinite Delivery, Indefinite quantity. It's the way the federal government shops.

"Hi, I am Uncle Sam. I *may* want to buy from (1) to 200 Millions rounds of .40 caliber ammunition. Here is your IDIQ contract with a maximum value of 200 millions rounds. It is worth *zero* dollars today. It may be worth zero dollars in 5 years. I will order ammunition from this contract when I need it, in the amounts I need it in.

For year one, here is a delivery order for 1 million rounds.

For year two, here is a delivery order for 300 rounds.

For year three, oops we're suddenly out of money. No delivery order.

For year four, yay! We're in the money! Here is a delivery order for 100 million rounds.

For year five, here is a delivery order for 50,000 rounds.

Your contract is now expired.

What? You thought we wanted 200 millions rounds?"

Read the fine print....

 

[Strato]

The Walmart by me gets ammo once a week and the 9mm, 38spl, 40 and 45 is gone ten minutes after it hits the shelf

 

[VonFatman]

I'm just glad I reload all but .22s.

Bob

 

[luis]

I am sorry but I have to put in 2 cents in.

Homeland Security is buying 40 S&W. I personally know an employee at the Winchester plant in Alton Illinois. Winchester is running a 24hr production line for 9mm and another for 40S&W.

The problem is no longer quantity available but price. Winchester like every other company buys raw materials in bulk. The whole sale price of copper, zinc and lead went up 200% 2007-2009 and prices have started to drop.

Gun stores do not want to buy ammo at lets say $400 a case only to see the price drop to $300 in a couple of months. They know that a competitor that waits will get a better price and they would have to reduce their price to sell the now old stock and lose money.

Local police agencies can order as much ammo as they want if they are willing to pay the price. One local department purchased ammo in 2006 and used the same cost in 2009 when they were setting up the 2010 budget. Guess what prices had changed. The chief cannot go back to his board asking for more money so he uses the war as an excuse.