NC concealed carry without permit - hope for veto

[dben002]

A bill to let adults (18 years old and above) carry concealed handguns without a permit cleared the North Carolina legislature on Wednesday; however, the path to joining the majority of U.S. states with similar laws remains uncertain.

What this bill does is allow anyone 18 years old or older to carry concealed without a permit.
Without a permit means no background check.
No background check means anybody who can scrape up enough cash to purchase a handgun can carry.
concealed carry laws in NC......not important. handgun laws in NC not important.
Firearms usage, safety, knowledge .... not important..

While I have to admit that since open carry is allowed here the statements above would apply to these people also.
Probably a very high percentage of open carry is due to the fact they can't pass a background check for concealed carry.
I personally think in it's current writing this is a bad and dangerous bill.

I sent the Governor a personal and private email urging him to veto this bill as written.

 

[Richard Simmons]

Don’t they have to pass a background check to purchase the firearm? I’m for no infringement and requiring a permit, training, permission in general is infringement, IMHO.

 

[bbqsauce]

What does a CC class really teach someone...?

They still have to pass a NIC's background check.

At 18 you're a legal adult, but the 1968 gun act stops 18-20 age folks from being sold a handgun.

 

[SFury79]

I sent the Governor a personal and private email urging him to veto this bill as written.

A terrible shame. Your opinion will hopefully be disregarded. It's based upon useless fears.

You fail to grasp the fact that many young people already carry weapons concealed. They shoot each other every day in the large cities.

All this would allow is for more honest people to be armed to protect themselves from the criminals who have always been armed. That's a good thing.

 

[ladder13]

Don’t they have to pass a background check to purchase the firearm? I’m for no infringement and requiring a permit, training, permission in general is infringement, IMHO.

They do.

One still has to abide by the gun laws of the state, as in any CC state.

I guess blood will fill the streets like the other CC states.

 

[jack the toad]

A bill to let adults (18 years old and above) carry concealed handguns without a permit cleared the North Carolina legislature on Wednesday; however, the path to joining the majority of U.S. states with similar laws remains uncertain.

What this bill does is allow anyone 18 years old or older to carry concealed without a permit.
Without a permit means no background check.
No background check means anybody who can scrape up enough cash to purchase a handgun can carry.
concealed carry laws in NC......not important. handgun laws in NC not important.
Firearms usage, safety, knowledge .... not important..

While I have to admit that since open carry is allowed here the statements above would apply to these people also.
Probably a very high percentage of open carry is due to the fact they can't pass a background check for concealed carry.
I personally think in it's current writing this is a bad and dangerous bill.

I sent the Governor a personal and private email urging him to veto this bill as written.

I think I understand your concerns and reason for them as I probably have them too.
I'm convinced there are a number of folks, some with good intentions and some without. That regardless of age, probably shouldn't even own a gun let alone pack one, open or concealed.
Our rights, being what they are, also come with responsibility. Let's face it, some just don't have it. But how do you determine them and what can you do until something unfortunate, and usually tragic, happens?
Until that's figured out, personally, I prefer to enjoy my rights as opposed to having them infringed. Am I concerned about the issue, yes but I sleep better with our rights being honored as opposed to who may have a gun.
And in the meantime, for what it may be worth, I've worked to instill firearm safety and responsibility to my kids and g-kids, along with their friends and buds. It's all I know to do. Any ideas or recommendations, please share.

 

[FlyFish]

We've had constitutional carry here in New Hampshire for a few years now. We remain one of the safest states in the nation.

 

[WCCPHD]

What does a CC class really teach someone...?

They still have to pass a NIC's background check.

At 18 you're a legal adult, but the 1968 gun act stops 18-20 age folks from being sold a handgun.

In NC the concealed carry class pretty much only teaches one where they can and cannot carry and what the penalties are for violating the law. It is NOT a skills class. It is not firearms training. The "qualification" is a joke. One can qualify with a 22 target pistol and carry an atomic cannon. IF people want/demand real firearms training then NC's requirement is not it.

 

[Bald1]

A bill to let adults (18 years old and above) carry concealed handguns without a permit cleared the North Carolina legislature on Wednesday; however, the path to joining the majority of U.S. states with similar laws remains uncertain.

What this bill does is allow anyone 18 years old or older to carry concealed without a permit.
Without a permit means no background check.
No background check means anybody who can scrape up enough cash to purchase a handgun can carry.
concealed carry laws in NC......not important. handgun laws in NC not important.
Firearms usage, safety, knowledge .... not important..

While I have to admit that since open carry is allowed here the statements above would apply to these people also.
Probably a very high percentage of open carry is due to the fact they can't pass a background check for concealed carry.
I personally think in it's current writing this is a bad and dangerous bill.

I sent the Governor a personal and private email urging him to veto this bill as written.

Weren’t you happy about this when you posted it in January?

 

[GnarlsR2]

Which of the 20,000+ gun laws in the USA would have prevented the 1999 Columbine school mass murder or the 2017 Las Vegas mass murder or June 3 2025 mass shooting in Hickory, NC?

 

[URIT]

It does give pause, doesn't it? I'm sure there are a few 18 year olds mature enough to conceal carry.

Mature is the operative term when you define maturity as the ability to distinguish the difference between today's actions and tomorrow's results.

Even legislating to the age of majority doesn't inspire me to a great deal of confidence in resent high school graduates or college students. These are the same groups of proposed qualified that turn a "peaceful demonstration" into a costly riot.

 

[GnarlsR2]

A bill to let adults (18 years old and above) carry concealed handguns without a permit cleared the North Carolina legislature on Wednesday; however, the path to joining the majority of U.S. states with similar laws remains uncertain.

What this bill does is allow anyone 18 years old or older to carry concealed without a permit.
Without a permit means no background check.
No background check means anybody who can scrape up enough cash to purchase a handgun can carry.
concealed carry laws in NC......not important. handgun laws in NC not important.
Firearms usage, safety, knowledge .... not important..

While I have to admit that since open carry is allowed here the statements above would apply to these people also.
Probably a very high percentage of open carry is due to the fact they can't pass a background check for concealed carry.
I personally think in it's current writing this is a bad and dangerous bill.

I sent the Governor a personal and private email urging him to veto this bill as written.

"I personally think in it's current writing this is a bad and dangerous bill.
I sent the Governor a personal and private email urging him to veto this bill as written."

Just a wild guess… you have not read any of John R. Lott Jr.’s books on gun control myths.

 

[WCCPHD]

Which of the 20,000+ gun laws in the USA would have prevented the 1999 Columbine school mass murder or the 2017 Las Vegas mass murder or June 3 2025 mass shooting in Hickory, NC?

There you go with those pesky facts. Don't you realize the anti's operate on emotion and not on reason, logic or facts.

We don't need no stinkin facts.

What are you going to believe, what they tell you or your lying eyes?

 

[Casper59]

M2CW, it’s not the age, its attitude and training. Having worked at a range and seeing with my own eyes how some 18, 19, 20 year olds act with their 21 year old friend who had to buy the pistol ammo for them, I can see where there should be some mandatory training minimum for someone to be able to carry (concealed or open). To be fair, it’s not just that demographic either, I’ve seen and kicked off the range all ages for inappropriate handling of firearms.

 

[fiasconva]

From what the news from NC is saying it doesn't have much of a chance of passing. All of the democrats are voting against it as well as a group of republicans. NC had a lot of restrictive laws including having to have a permit to purchase a handgun, which was decided upon the whim of the local sheriffs in the various counties. I was glad to see some movement in favor of NC gun owners recently. The thugs and criminals are still going to carry illegally no matter what the outcome.

 

[Doriangray6]

Personally I believe that everybody should have to show that they have successfully completed at least a basic NRA style firearms safety and shooting course before buying a firearm from an FFL because if you can't handle a firearm well enough to do this I don't want you around me with one.
Why? Well untrained and poorly trained people with firearms, even if they're upright law abiding folks, scare and make me more nervous than criminals because they're actions are unpredictable whereas with a criminal you pretty much know what they're planning to do.
Now before someone responds with "requiring training is an infringement of the 2nd Amendment" let's take a close look at the wording of the Amendment.
One of the key phrases is, "A well regulated militia" right? Contrary to what anti firearms folks say "well regulated" doesn't mean having the correct paperwork, stamps, or approvals from some government agency. In the context of the words' use when the Amendment was written "well regulated" means organized, equipped, and trained.
Militias, especially those of frontier settlements, were the original first responders and were suppose to respond to everything from attacks by Indians and criminal bands to floods, fires, or helping an injured or sick neighbor get in or harvest their crops.
In order to be effective they met regularly with someone in charge so they were organized to a degree instead of a mob and each militia member had to have a firearm and a certain amount of lead and powder and had to be competent with their firearms.
Organized, equipped, trained.
Since a lot of folks, especially in the frontier areas, still hunted for food and furs back then being competent with firearms was important for more than just defending yourself or your community.
I started shooting almost 70 years ago when I was 5 but before I ever touched a firearm my father; a hillbilly from SE Ohio and a life long shooter, hunter, and in later years an NRA certified firearms safety and shooting instructor and small caliber rifle bench competitor and coach, made sure that my brothers and I knew how to safely handle and effectively use them.
He started with explaining what each of his firearms were, what ammo they used, and how each one worked then took us along to the range with him to watch him and other people shoot and explained what he and they were doing.
When he thought we were ready he started us shooting with single shot 22 rifles and pistols and as we got bigger and more skilled introduced us to larger caliber firearms. To forget or fail to follow a rule resulted in a quick, and usually painful, reminder.
In 68 when I enlisted in the Marine Corps at 17 they were surprised and delighted with my firearms knowledge and shooting skills and refined them even further. My drill instructor would even use me as a training aid.
But does this mean that I think that there should be a law requiring training? No, but I do think it should be something pushed by responsible firearm owners, firearms sellers, and shooting ranges using peer pressure and incentives.
I also believe that training in firearms safety and shooting should be included in all schools taught in graduated stages as a voluntary extra curricular activity like football, baseball, and other sports.

 

[AlHunt]

Why? Well untrained and poorly trained people with firearms, even if they're upright law abiding folks, scare and make me more nervous than criminals

So we need to go back to teaching this basic survival skill of firearms handling in the schools. Stop kow towing to the gun control mob and leaving the kids ignorant and unprepared when they blunder into a firearm.

 

[AlHunt]

On another note - 26 states now have permitless concealed carry. Has there been some giant problem I haven't heard about with legal permitless concealed carry?

I know there have been a lot of problems with criminals who illegally carry concealed, how about legal carriers?

 

[WCCPHD]

From what the news from NC is saying it doesn't have much of a chance of passing. All of the democrats are voting against it as well as a group of republicans. NC had a lot of restrictive laws including having to have a permit to purchase a handgun, which was decided upon the whim of the local sheriffs in the various counties. I was glad to see some movement in favor of NC gun owners recently. The thugs and criminals are still going to carry illegally no matter what the outcome.

You need to find better news.

It passed both houses of the General Assembly and has gone to the Governor for signature, veto or allowing it to become law without signature.

 

[Chuck24]

Even if my state went to permitless carry, I would still keep my permit to get around the one gun per month rule