NC concealed carry without permit - hope for veto

[s&wchad]

Since when do constitutional rights require permission from the government? That's not how our system works.... the BOR's putts limits on government power, not on citizens.

If you're old enough to vote, serve in the military and give your life for our country, you should be able to defend yourself.

Don't like it, change the Constitution. It's hard to do for a reason...

 

[Harv 24]

Exactly, No one takes an English class before opening their mouth to exercise there 1st Amendment rights.
Its fearmongering, just like when the Assault weapons ban was lifted, All the crying and hand wringing that there was going to be blood in the streets. And surprise, there was not.

Spend energy on enforcing current laws, not creating new ones....

 

[Mike SC Hunter]

A bill to let adults (18 years old and above) carry concealed handguns without a permit cleared the North Carolina legislature on Wednesday; however, the path to joining the majority of U.S. states with similar laws remains uncertain.

What this bill does is allow anyone 18 years old or older to carry concealed without a permit.
Without a permit means no background check.
No background check means anybody who can scrape up enough cash to purchase a handgun can carry.
concealed carry laws in NC......not important. handgun laws in NC not important.
Firearms usage, safety, knowledge .... not important..

While I have to admit that since open carry is allowed here the statements above would apply to these people also.
Probably a very high percentage of open carry is due to the fact they can't pass a background check for concealed carry.
I personally think in it's current writing this is a bad and dangerous bill.

I sent the Governor a personal and private email urging him to veto this bill as written.

YOU ARE TOTALLY WRONG...............Had it he for years...NO BIG DEAL.......In order words FREEDOM for you but not for the other guy RIGHT???

 

[SteveJewels]

A bill to let adults (18 years old and above) carry concealed handguns without a permit cleared the North Carolina legislature on Wednesday; however, the path to joining the majority of U.S. states with similar laws remains uncertain.

What this bill does is allow anyone 18 years old or older to carry concealed without a permit.
Without a permit means no background check.
No background check means anybody who can scrape up enough cash to purchase a handgun can carry.
concealed carry laws in NC......not important. handgun laws in NC not important.
Firearms usage, safety, knowledge .... not important..

While I have to admit that since open carry is allowed here the statements above would apply to these people also.
Probably a very high percentage of open carry is due to the fact they can't pass a background check for concealed carry.
I personally think in it's current writing this is a bad and dangerous bill.

I sent the Governor a personal and private email urging him to veto this bill as written.

"No background check means anybody who can scrape up enough cash to purchase a handgun can carry."

The people you are concerned about, already do.

 

[Shibadog]

And the background check is a Federal, not state, requirement. I too believe people should be knowledgeable about firearms before obtaining one-but that should be some basic safety training included in grade school education at ALL schools (and passing should be counted as a condition for promotion to the next grade). People ignorant about firearms scare me too, but ignorance can be fixed through education (ya can’t fix stupidity, it’s just there), and education should be completed years before folks are old enough to buy a firearm. Screwing around with constitutionally guaranteed rights is NOT the answer ( and is only done with the 2nd amendment-not with ANY others)

 

[oberon]

2A is included in the BOR for a reason.

 

[Greyman50]

Georgia and Florida have no permit CC and have not heard of any issues. Sadly most young folks these days did not grow up in the country being taught firearms. Also no draft and no military service requirements so no exposure/ training in firearms. I always gladly help young folks learn correct usage of firearms .

 

[Baltimoreed11754]

What happens if the current ccw laws are not used? Do we go back to the county sheriff issuing pistol purchase permits after you pass your background ck. I like being able to buy firearms otc as I have a current valid NC ccw permit in my wallet.

 

[Wyo]

On another note - 26 states now have permitless concealed carry. Has there been some giant problem I haven't heard about with legal permitless concealed carry?

I know there have been a lot of problems with criminals who illegally carry concealed, how about legal carriers?

We’ve had permit less concealed carry here for some time now. Carry what you want where you want. Loaded in your car or on your person is fine. Most gunfree zones are banned so you can carry in schools, gov’t meetings, whatever. No formal training requirements or tests to pass. No background checks for private sales. And none of the problems and fears discussed above have come to pass. They just haven’t. I continue to be amazed at the hand wringing and pearl clutching that goes on over these theoretical calamities that just don’t seem to actually happen when citizens are finally allowed to exercise their rights.

 

[Jimbo41]

Hey all, I’ve been gone for a long time, just came back and this is one of the first threads I see, how disappointing.

Thanks to all for calmly explaining out how misguided the OP is and pointing out the facts of the situation vs the unfounded fears of our freedom fearing friend. I swear, gun owners are our own worst enemies.

 

[TaxPhd]

They do.

One still has to abide by the gun laws of the state, as in any CC state.

I guess blood will fill the streets like the other CC states.

They have to pass a background check?

I’ve legally purchased quite a few firearms without any background check whatsoever.

 

[Phenix]

A bill to let adults (18 years old and above) carry concealed handguns without a permit cleared the North Carolina legislature on Wednesday; however, the path to joining the majority of U.S. states with similar laws remains uncertain.

What this bill does is allow anyone 18 years old or older to carry concealed without a permit.
Without a permit means no background check.
No background check means anybody who can scrape up enough cash to purchase a handgun can carry.
concealed carry laws in NC......not important. handgun laws in NC not important.
Firearms usage, safety, knowledge .... not important..

While I have to admit that since open carry is allowed here the statements above would apply to these people also.
Probably a very high percentage of open carry is due to the fact they can't pass a background check for concealed carry.
I personally think in it's current writing this is a bad and dangerous bill.

I sent the Governor a personal and private email urging him to veto this bill as written.

Has

 

[Phenix]

A bill to let adults (18 years old and above) carry concealed handguns without a permit cleared the North Carolina legislature on Wednesday; however, the path to joining the majority of U.S. states with similar laws remains uncertain.

What this bill does is allow anyone 18 years old or older to carry concealed without a permit.
Without a permit means no background check.
No background check means anybody who can scrape up enough cash to purchase a handgun can carry.
concealed carry laws in NC......not important. handgun laws in NC not important.
Firearms usage, safety, knowledge .... not important..

While I have to admit that since open carry is allowed here the statements above would apply to these people also.
Probably a very high percentage of open carry is due to the fact they can't pass a background check for concealed carry.
I personally think in it's current writing this is a bad and dangerous bill.

I sent the Governor a personal and private email urging him to veto this bill as written.

Has there been a problem in other states that allow permit-less carry?
I am not aware of any.
The criminals don’t get permits for their guns anyway.
I DO think it is a good idea for anyone who carries a handgun, concealed or otherwise, to have several hours of classroom instruction about the legal responsibilities of carrying. Also needed is emphasis on the fact that some situations are not what they appear to be.

 

[ladder13]

What happens if the current ccw laws are not used? Do we go back to the county sheriff issuing pistol purchase permits after you pass your background ck. I like being able to buy firearms otc as I have a current valid NC ccw permit in my wallet.

the PPP’s are gone,done.

 

[Pisgah]

SC has had the same law for a while now.

We're still here...

 

[Smith391]

Even if my state went to permitless carry, I would still keep my permit to get around the one gun per month rule

NC concealed carry permits will remain available for those who opt to apply for one.

One advantage of maintaining a CCW in NC, is that it exempts the holder from having to complete a NICS check each time they purchase a firearm from an FFL.

 

[jaguargolf]

.... So the 18 yr old working nights should not be able to defend themselves ? ...

 

[stumper]

My biggest issue with the bill is allowing 18 year old kids to CC. If kids at 18 were ever mature enough at this age to carry - or vote for that matter, they certainly are not today.

 

[Jimbo41]

My biggest issue with the bill is allowing 18 year old kids to CC. If kids at 18 were ever mature enough at this age to carry - or vote for that matter, they certainly are not today.

Okay Boomer, how exactly are 18 years olds less mature in NC than in every other state that has allowed permitless carry without significant negative repercussions?

BTW, I’m also a boomer, and I hate the kids choices in music, addiction to social media and apparent lack of work ethic as our generation defined it. But I would rather try solving problem with freedom and consequences than with regulation and coddling.

 

[tygar]

It does give pause, doesn't it? I'm sure there are a few 18 year olds mature enough to conceal carry.

Mature is the operative term when you define maturity as the ability to distinguish the difference between today's actions and tomorrow's results.

Even legislating to the age of majority doesn't inspire me to a great deal of confidence in resent high school graduates or college students. These are the same groups of proposed qualified that turn a "peaceful demonstration" into a costly riot.

You show that you are former Army. So, at 18, Military members are not "mature" enough to carry? Well, I am a Marine & "we" certainly were mature enough to carry a gun! Oh wait - forgot, at 19 I was fight the cong & dam - I sure think I was "mature" enough to carry. Now the pussies of today, do give one pause - BUT THE CONSTITUTION does not restrict due to age!