NC concealed carry without permit - hope for veto

[TaxPhd]

They do.

One still has to abide by the gun laws of the state, as in any CC state.

I guess blood will fill the streets like the other CC states.

They have to pass a background check?

I've legally purchased quite a few firearms without any background check whatsoever.

 

[Phenix]

A bill to let adults (18 years old and above) carry concealed handguns without a permit cleared the North Carolina legislature on Wednesday; however, the path to joining the majority of U.S. states with similar laws remains uncertain.

What this bill does is allow anyone 18 years old or older to carry concealed without a permit.
Without a permit means no background check.
No background check means anybody who can scrape up enough cash to purchase a handgun can carry.
concealed carry laws in NC......not important. handgun laws in NC not important.
Firearms usage, safety, knowledge .... not important..

While I have to admit that since open carry is allowed here the statements above would apply to these people also.
Probably a very high percentage of open carry is due to the fact they can't pass a background check for concealed carry.
I personally think in it's current writing this is a bad and dangerous bill.

I sent the Governor a personal and private email urging him to veto this bill as written.

Has

 

[Phenix]

A bill to let adults (18 years old and above) carry concealed handguns without a permit cleared the North Carolina legislature on Wednesday; however, the path to joining the majority of U.S. states with similar laws remains uncertain.

What this bill does is allow anyone 18 years old or older to carry concealed without a permit.
Without a permit means no background check.
No background check means anybody who can scrape up enough cash to purchase a handgun can carry.
concealed carry laws in NC......not important. handgun laws in NC not important.
Firearms usage, safety, knowledge .... not important..

While I have to admit that since open carry is allowed here the statements above would apply to these people also.
Probably a very high percentage of open carry is due to the fact they can't pass a background check for concealed carry.
I personally think in it's current writing this is a bad and dangerous bill.

I sent the Governor a personal and private email urging him to veto this bill as written.

Has there been a problem in other states that allow permit-less carry?
I am not aware of any.
The criminals don't get permits for their guns anyway.
I DO think it is a good idea for anyone who carries a handgun, concealed or otherwise, to have several hours of classroom instruction about the legal responsibilities of carrying. Also needed is emphasis on the fact that some situations are not what they appear to be.

 

[ladder13]

What happens if the current ccw laws are not used? Do we go back to the county sheriff issuing pistol purchase permits after you pass your background ck. I like being able to buy firearms otc as I have a current valid NC ccw permit in my wallet.

the PPP's are gone,done.

 

[Pisgah]

SC has had the same law for a while now.

We're still here...

 

[Smith391]

Even if my state went to permitless carry, I would still keep my permit to get around the one gun per month rule

NC concealed carry permits will remain available for those who opt to apply for one.

One advantage of maintaining a CCW in NC, is that it exempts the holder from having to complete a NICS check each time they purchase a firearm from an FFL.

 

[jaguargolf]

.... So the 18 yr old working nights should not be able to defend themselves ? ...

 

[stumper]

My biggest issue with the bill is allowing 18 year old kids to CC. If kids at 18 were ever mature enough at this age to carry - or vote for that matter, they certainly are not today.

 

[Jimbo41]

My biggest issue with the bill is allowing 18 year old kids to CC. If kids at 18 were ever mature enough at this age to carry - or vote for that matter, they certainly are not today.

Okay Boomer, how exactly are 18 years olds less mature in NC than in every other state that has allowed permitless carry without significant negative repercussions?

BTW, I'm also a boomer, and I hate the kids choices in music, addiction to social media and apparent lack of work ethic as our generation defined it. But I would rather try solving problem with freedom and consequences than with regulation and coddling.

 

[tygar]

It does give pause, doesn't it? I'm sure there are a few 18 year olds mature enough to conceal carry.

Mature is the operative term when you define maturity as the ability to distinguish the difference between today's actions and tomorrow's results.

Even legislating to the age of majority doesn't inspire me to a great deal of confidence in resent high school graduates or college students. These are the same groups of proposed qualified that turn a "peaceful demonstration" into a costly riot.

You show that you are former Army. So, at 18, Military members are not "mature" enough to carry? Well, I am a Marine & "we" certainly were mature enough to carry a gun! Oh wait - forgot, at 19 I was fight the cong & dam - I sure think I was "mature" enough to carry. Now the pussies of today, do give one pause - BUT THE CONSTITUTION does not restrict due to age!

 

[ladder13]

Reading some of the news articles around here, kids as young as 13 are already enjoying Constitutional Carry.

 

[Waldo]

I think that gun owners are their own worst enemy. Here we have someone who is a member of a gun forum and presumably a gun owner, writing to a state Governor, asking him to veto a pro gun bill. I think training requirements and background checks are an infringement on a God given right. When a gun owner supports that kind of thinking, it puts him firmly in bed with a bunch of anti gun people that do not want us to own any guns. I have not yet met anyone who favors back ground checks to buy guns that can explain to me how someone that can not be trusted with a gun should not be in jail. You are perfectly safe with a knife, ax, car or chainsaw, no danger to anyone, but a gun makes you a menace. That is classic anti-gun thinking.

 

[walkin' trails]

My state is constitutional carry. I don't think there's been an uptick in illegal gun use by anyone other than the problem children who are otherwise committing other crimes despite laws that tell them not to. Most of them are already prohibited from possessing a firearm anyway. For the ones who are still young and impressionable, firearms safety education and laws need to return to public arenas, including school curricula. And the "Thall shalt nots…" need to be taught first at home.

 

[SFury79]

One of the key phrases is, "A well regulated militia" right? Contrary to what anti firearms folks say "well regulated" doesn't mean having the correct paperwork, stamps, or approvals from some government agency. In the context of the words' use when the Amendment was written "well regulated" means organized, equipped, and trained.

It meant able-bodied adult male with a functioning firearm when the Bill of Rights was written. Your beliefs are wrong on this matter. You have to use the definitions of the time to understand the intent written.

Contrary to popular communist beliefs, no written works are living documents, and are not meant to be interpreted. They are meant to be understood in the vernacular and customs of the time they were written.

 

[CW3RDL]

I think I understand your concerns and reason for them as I probably have them too.
I'm convinced there are a number of folks, some with good intentions and some without. That regardless of age, probably shouldn't even own a gun let alone pack one, open or concealed.
Our rights, being what they are, also come with responsibility. Let's face it, some just don't have it. But how do you determine them and what can you do until something unfortunate, and usually tragic, happens?
Until that's figured out, personally, I prefer to enjoy my rights as opposed to having them infringed. Am I concerned about the issue, yes but I sleep better with our rights being honored as opposed to who may have a gun.
And in the meantime, for what it may be worth, I've worked to instill firearm safety and responsibility to my kids and g-kids, along with their friends and buds. It's all I know to do. Any ideas or recommendations, please share.

I am a retired police lieutenant and now a Constitutional lawyer who's represented both private citizens and police officers who have issues with the government. I tell you, based on much experience, all gun laws regulate only the law-abiding. Violent criminals go about armed. Permit laws are obeyed only by those who aren't likely to purposefully commit a crime. It's still a crime to carry a handgun in Constitutional Carry Alabama and Tennessee, with or without a permit, if you've been convicted of a felony. In Alabama, the decidedly Republican legislature and Governor Ivey just removed "violent" as the adjective to "felony." Since I wore a shield, most young police officers and deputies have been taught to see themselves as "law enforcement" officers, like Feds. Word Pictures: Andy Griffith was a peace officer; he used the law to keep the peace. Barney Fife was a law enforcement officer; he used the law to find a reason to put people in jail. Be way more fearful of government than any fellow citizen. Remember, "Government, like fire, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."

 

[CW3RDL]

I think that gun owners are their own worst enemy. Here we have someone who is a member of a gun forum and presumably a gun owner, writing to a state Governor, asking him to veto a pro gun bill. I think training requirements and background checks are an infringement on a God given right. When a gun owner supports that kind of thinking, it puts him firmly in bed with a bunch of anti gun people that do not want us to own any guns. I have not yet met anyone who favors back ground checks to buy guns that can explain to me how someone that can not be trusted with a gun should not be in jail. You are perfectly safe with a knife, ax, car or chainsaw, no danger to anyone, but a gun makes you a menace. That is classic anti-gun thinking.

I don't even mind the background checks, though they are infringements. But wanting to know the make, type, serial number of the piece and address of the owner has the strong and unpleasant odor of tyranny.

 

[Technocircus316]

i live in kansas its the wild west here. We have c/c with no permit, open carry and they let 18 year olds c/c if they go to a course. You can have as many as you want no magazine restrictions pretty open

 

[Always Faithful Holsters]

To the OP. Maybe you should read the Constitution and then go look at the oath you took at one time to protect it. The 2A IS Americas CCW permit. If someone has nefarious intentions, do you think a permit and a subsequent background check is going to dissuade them from packing a gun? I couldn't disagree with this post more.

 

[CW3RDL]

It meant able-bodied adult male with a functioning firearm when the Bill of Rights was written. Your beliefs are wrong on this matter. You have to use the definitions of the time to understand the intent written.

Contrary to popular communist beliefs, no written works are living documents, and are not meant to be interpreted. They are meant to be understood in the vernacular and customs of the time they were written.

Correct. Few, in 1800, had what we call a high school education today. But nearly all native born Americans who could read knew what the Bill of Rights said regarding speech, worship and the right to go about armed. Not until the country was flooded with work hungry lawyers (I passed the State Bar) and immigrants from totalitarian nations who'd missed a rudimentary education in the U.S., did the clear meaning become obscured.

 

[URIT]

tygar, I was actually 17 when I join the Army. I may not have been all that mature stepping off the bus at Ft. Leonard Wood, but the DIs forged a new me in a matter of weeks.

Kids today are rarely seen playing in their neighborhoods. Your last sentence addressed today's concerns.

 

[ladder13]

They have to pass a background check?

I've legally purchased quite a few firearms without any background check whatsoever.

Bear with me for a minute.

In NC if you have a CHP it is your NICS check. You still have to fill out a 4473. Privates sales of any guns require neither. Cash and carry applies.

If you don't have a concealed license, a BGC and 4473 are required when purchasing from a gun store, FFL. Again, private sales require neither.

I believe I have that right, I think.

 

[Phenix]

Okay Boomer, how exactly are 18 years olds less mature in NC than in every other state that has allowed permitless carry without significant negative repercussions?

BTW, I'm also a boomer, and I hate the kids choices in music, addiction to social media and apparent lack of work ethic as our generation defined it. But I would rather try solving problem with freedom and consequences than with regulation and coddling.

WELL SAID ! ! !
Especially that last part.

 

[CW3RDL]

I think that gun owners are their own worst enemy. Here we have someone who is a member of a gun forum and presumably a gun owner, writing to a state Governor, asking him to veto a pro gun bill. I think training requirements and background checks are an infringement on a God given right. When a gun owner supports that kind of thinking, it puts him firmly in bed with a bunch of anti gun people that do not want us to own any guns. I have not yet met anyone who favors back ground checks to buy guns that can explain to me how someone that can not be trusted with a gun should not be in jail. You are perfectly safe with a knife, ax, car or chainsaw, no danger to anyone, but a gun makes you a menace. That is classic anti-gun thinking.

I don't even mind the background checks, though it is an infringement. But wanting to know the make, type, serial number and address of the owner has the strong oder of tyranny.

I think that gun owners are their own worst enemy. Here we have someone who is a member of a gun forum and presumably a gun owner, writing to a state Governor, asking him to veto a pro gun bill. I think training requirements and background checks are an infringement on a God given right. When a gun owner supports that kind of thinking, it puts him firmly in bed with a bunch of anti gun people that do not want us to own any guns. I have not yet met anyone who favors back ground checks to buy guns that can explain to me how someone that can not be trusted with a gun should not be in jail. You are perfectly safe with a knife, ax, car or chainsaw, no danger to anyone, but a gun makes you a menace. That is classic anti-gun thinking.

Yeah, seems like stolen vehicles, cinder blocks, Molotov cocktails, and edged weapons are favorite tools of anarchists and terrorists the last few weeks. Checking for serial numbers is proving problematic. hahaha

 

[Kimberpross]

A bill to let adults (18 years old and above) carry concealed handguns without a permit cleared the North Carolina legislature on Wednesday; however, the path to joining the majority of U.S. states with similar laws remains uncertain.

What this bill does is allow anyone 18 years old or older to carry concealed without a permit.
Without a permit means no background check.
No background check means anybody who can scrape up enough cash to purchase a handgun can carry.
concealed carry laws in NC......not important. handgun laws in NC not important.
Firearms usage, safety, knowledge .... not important..

While I have to admit that since open carry is allowed here the statements above would apply to these people also.
Probably a very high percentage of open carry is due to the fact they can't pass a background check for concealed carry.
I personally think in it's current writing this is a bad and dangerous bill.

I sent the Governor a personal and private email urging him to veto this bill as written.

I understand your thoughts. My perspective is it is mental illness that drives a human to kill another human in cold blood, mass murders. All the laws in the world won't prevent that from happening. Going as far as eliminating all firearms from the population will not stop a mentally ill person from mass murder. Establishing any kind of law that restricts our freedom to bear arms simply takes away our ability to protect ourselves from the mentally ill. They aren't going away and having background checks, firearm registration, licensing requirements, etc. do not make this world more safe. The mentally ill will find a way. And with Covid debacle , social media, people thinking there are more than two genders appears mental illness is on the rise.

 

[Kimberpross]

I don't even mind the background checks, though it is an infringement. But wanting to know the make, type, serial number and address of the owner has the strong oder of tyranny.

Yeah, seems like stolen vehicles, cinder blocks, Molotov cocktails, and edged weapons are favorite tools of anarchists and terrorists the last few weeks. Checking for serial numbers is proving problematic. hahaha

Firearm registration is simply a Segway to confiscation. All that registration does is after the crime the investigators find out who bought the firearm. Then (according to an FBI friend that worked Chicago) they find out the firearm was stolen, 95% of the guns confiscated from crime.

 

[45Smashemflat]

Pretty sure there was no background check needed for that gallon of gas and Windex bottles used recently in Colorado.

 

[TaxPhd]

Bear with me for a minute.

In NC if you have a CHP it is your NICS check. You still have to fill out a 4473. Privates sales of any guns require neither. Cash and carry applies.

If you don't have a concealed license, a BGC and 4473 are required when purchasing from a gun store, FFL. Again, private sales require neither.

I believe I have that right, I think.

Yup

I was addressing what appears to be a statement that background checks are required for all gun sales, but they're not required for private party.

 

[ladder13]

Yup

I was addressing what appears to be a statement that background checks are required for all gun sales, but they're not required for private party.

I know you where, it just took me time to gather my thoughts, cover everything and post correct info.

 

[DKM]

When Arizona came out with canceled carry. The expectations of concerned citizens was that the gutters would be awashed in blood. We already had open carry and it was common in many areas of Arizona.

The results in allowing conceled carry was less open carry. Thats it no blood in the streets. Of course to get a permit, there was a charge for the background check, and you had to take a class. So their were some steps that discouraged people, or made them work.

after a few years of positive results off canceled carry. Arizona decided to have Constitutional carry. Just let people carry. No permit. No training. No making people prove they could hit a target.

Blood in the streets! Uncontrollable people untrained carrying loaded guns in public places. Brace yourself. Nothing happend.

Some people choose to seek out some training. Most just carry.

Then you have to think about it. We had open carry for decades. No training requirments, no permits. There were no issues. All we did was allow ladies to carry in their purses and the men in pockets or under shirts and jackets.

We have an over abundance of people who have very low opinions of people. They feel people most have controls and only certain people are should have some privileges.

People are actually much smarter then they get credit for.
I say stop worrying about the guns, lower your own self-esteem l, so your able to trust others.

Now, I say put the training and controls on chainsaws! I can't believe they can just sell those things to anyone! Those things are dangerous!

 

[Smoke]

I'm sorry I have not had my daily caffeine yet so if I'm repeating somebody else my apologies.

If somebody has Criminal Intent they're going to carry a gun regardless of the law.

The second thing I'm going to point out is if there was a large instance of people who were doing legal permit was carry being involved in crimes the people who want to disarm us would have it all over the news.