Need help. SW 442 is this an internal lock?

[RickDel73]

Hello, I ordered three SW 442's through an LE sale with no internal lock. I'm picking them up one at a time, but after I got home with my second one today it appears to have an internal lock.

Is this an internal lock? If so, they didn't even include a key.

**Image attached

Thanks - Rick

 

[Eric300]

The bottom one has the lock. Right above the cylinder thumb latch.

 

[RickDel73]

Thanks. That's what I figured; however, I was hoping it was just the frame design without the internal lock included. Either way, I couldn't even test it because no key was included.

I'm not sure what can be done now that I've accepted it from the FFL?????

Nothing can be easy!

 

[Waxster60]

The top one is pre-lock. The lower one looks like a previous owner removed the lock and filled the hole with a plug. These sorts of kits are available commercially.

 

[RickDel73]

These were LEO sales from Atlantic Tactical. Sold as new. Do you think the seller did a mod?

I'm going to contact them tomorrow, after I asked my local FFL to inspect the third revolver to see if it's like #1 or #2.

 

[H Richard]

Did you look under the foam rubber case liner?

 

[RickDel73]

Did you look under the foam rubber case liner?

Yes... it's not there. I even went to my local FFL today who advised the numbers on the box matched, so it was a S&W issue, NOT Atlantic Tactical.

 

[mtidasnubby]

What model number is listed on the case label, 442-1 or 442-2?

 

[Georgia1911]

Different SKUs for 442 and 442 No Lock. 162810 for 442 and 150544 for No Lock.

 

[riverrat38]

The "keys" are all the same.
S&W will send one, probably no charge. If the lock has been removed, you don't need a key. I have long thought that if someone wants the lock removed, best to buy second hand. Then you didn't remove it. Better to say it came that way, then you removed it.

73,
Rick

 

[haywood]

I wouldn't have accepted it.

 

[RickDel73]

Different SKUs for 442 and 442 No Lock. 162810 for 442 and 150544 for No Lock.

Maybe so, but mine are both 150544 and one came with a internal lock.

 

[RickDel73]

I wouldn't have accepted it.

Nor would I had I noticed it.

 

[RickDel73]

What model number is listed on the case label, 442-1 or 442-2?

All 442-1 (with and without internal lock)

 

[Electraclyde]

That lock appears to be intact. All S&W lock keys are the same. That lock is factory.

 

[Jeppo]

Just out of curiosity, are the serial numbers on both boxes correct (matching the numbers on the two guns)?

 

[Pine_Worker]

Contact S&W, they will send you one. I did for my 686-6 and they sent me 2, no charge.

 

[Geronimo Jim]

That is just awful.

 

[44 mag]

He ordered 442 without the lock ..he should get what he ordered.

 

[smithman]

What's the other silver hole behind the lock?

 

[CaliTrav]

What's the other silver hole behind the lock?

I was wondering the same thing. Never seen that hole before.

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[Electraclyde]

What's the other silver hole behind the lock?

That is part of the internal lock system. If lock parts are removed the larger opening will be an empty hole which can be "plugged" the smaller "pin" will remain in place and have no effect without the other parts.
It has been a very long time since I removed the lock parts on a 442 that I no longer own, so My memory is a little fuzzy. I am sure that there are lots of U-tube videos that cover all of this.

 

[murphydog]

You 'should' have received a 442-1 without the lock. Don't know how that slipped through the factory record keeping system as a 442-2. Is the gun also stamped 442-1, or -2?

Not sure what you can do beyond contacting factory customer service. Sorry for your troubles.

 

[Georgia1911]

Maybe so, but mine are both 150544 and one came with a internal lock.

That's why I posted the info- so you could check the boxes to determine if this was a shipping error by S&W or a fulfillment error by the distributor. Apparently it's a shipping error by S&W.

But take it however you want...

 

[AlHunt]

Yes... it's not there. I even went to my local FFL today who advised the numbers on the box matched, so it was a S&W issue, NOT Atlantic Tactical.

Which would be the very last time I darkened the door at Atlantic Tactical.

Worst case you get the lock delete gizmo someone here sells and eliminate it.

Hopefully S&W takes care of it for you.

 

[ken158]

Your LGS should have a key around there somewhere… I am all about removing the lock - but always plug it so nobody will think they have locked the gun and something bad happens. Then you got a problem.

 

[GerSan69]

The top one is pre-lock. The lower one looks like a previous owner removed the lock and filled the hole with a plug. These sorts of kits are available commercially.

Ummm, I see an intact lock. The Plug in any variation doesn't have that little 'tip' in the center of it; the lock does.

 

[Waxster60]

Ummm, I see an intact lock. The Plug in any variation doesn't have that little 'tip' in the center of it; the lock does.

Well, guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. An intact lock should have visible open space around that center pin to accept the key. I'm not seeing that here. Looks like solid material matching the frame finish surrounding that center pin. Maybe it's a plug with a central hole for the pin, but could be just the photo or my eyes. Regardless, its not a "no lock" and that's what the OP ordered and should have received. Bet we can agree on that

 

[OttoLoader]

Hello, I ordered three SW 442's through an LE sale with no internal lock. I'm picking them up one at a time, but after I got home with my second one today it appears to have an internal lock.

Is this an internal lock? If so, they didn't even include a key.

**Image attached

Thanks - Rick

Notice the frame does not have the etched directional arrow and letter L at the lock.

Also the lock looks more like a plug with a raised circular ridge. May be the photo.

As no key was included, assume not lost, then this may be a variation classified as no lock version. But have the hole like a lock version.

Big clue for me is no etched arrow and letter L for lock engagement direction.

Call S&W and give them the serial number etc.

 

[cfplinker]

Look to see if the flag is between the hammer and the frame on the side where the "lock" is. If the frame is solid right up to the hammer there is no place for the flag that the lock raises to show that the lock has been activated. If you can see the flag or there is a space for the flag then the pistol has or had a lock.