Need help with my sights

[boamedt]

So i have had a couple firearms before, mossy 5, .32 sig, .45acp, they were already sighted by previous owners or the factory and were pretty good...but i have no idea how to sight in my sight.......yes i did try...my iron sights are not bad, i have to aim a little high to hit my target...i dont even know how to adjust these so i dont have to aim high....thats the first problem...

Second problem is, i now have a tasco red dot on my utg carry handle. so i tried aiming at a target with the tasco and i cant even hit anywhere on the target.....if i try to co witness, where i line my irons up to make the shot, but then look through my red dot, the red dot is way too far down and to the right. pretty much its aiming at the ground to the right of my target which was 3ft above the ground. i tried messing with it, but i could even get a shot on the target for a refference point...so how do i sight this in????

 

[mick3ymik3]

im in the same boat with you lol. ill have my scope bore sighted on thursday no idea what it is but i hope it will help

 

[true_shooter]

for an optic (sope or red dot) there will be a windage (left and right) and an elevation knob (up and down) they generally move the bullet impact by 1/4 inch per click at 100 yards so 4 clicks means 1 inch at 100 yards and 16 clicks to move 1 inch at 25 yards. do this, from a well supported shooting position fire a 3 shot group at your targets bullseye. your target should have 1 inch squares count how many inches your group needs to move up or down to be level with the bullseye then adjust as needed. fire another group to confirm your shots are now level with the bullseye. now count how many inches your group needs to move left or right to be on bullseye. adjust your windage as needed and viola your weapon is now sighted in at whatever range you did this.

 

[true_shooter]

for some iron sights you adjust the windage only in the rear sight and to shift elevation you move your front sight post up or down with a front sight tool or use a .223 round. the 1/4 per click at 100 yards is the same. remember if you want your point of impact to go up your front sight post must go down. hope this helps

 

[true_shooter]

im in the same boat with you lol. ill have my scope bore sighted on thursday no idea what it is but i hope it will help

boresighting gets your projectile to hit the piece of paper your shooting at but generally not on bullseye. there are many ways to boresight but it is generally done with a laser that sticks in your barrel. you can buy these at cabelas. it projects a laser beam onto a target and you adjust the crosshairs of your optic to meat the laser dot. after its been boresighted fallow the other steps i told you about to get it dialed in.

 

[Majorlk]

You MUST sight in over sandbags or other SOLID support. You can't do it freehand - it's simply not possible for you hold the rifle still without support. If you try it, the sights will wonder all over the place, whether scope, dot or iron.

 

[boamedt]

You MUST sight in over sandbags or other SOLID support. You can't do it freehand - it's simply not possible for you hold the rifle still without support. If you try it, the sights will wonder all over the place, whether scope, dot or iron.

im with you there...i have it on a bipod on a table, and the real problem is not my understanding of how to physically adjust the sights, altough thank you true_shooter for the front iron adjustment info...didnt know that, the problem lies in the fact that when i aim, through my tasco, at the bullseye, with the rifle on the bipod on the table and take a couple of shots. NONE hit piece of paper target....so i dont have a point to adjust from the target...i have no idea where the bullet is going. the red dot, if cosighted with the irons, the actual dop is on the ground slightly to the left. so is my rifle shooting too high if i point the red dot on the target? or is it the opposite? heres what i mean>>>pic

 

[true_shooter]

how far away is your target, if its at 100 yards move it to 25 yards if its already at 25 yards move it even closer. if your shooting outdoors look for bullet splash. if your iron sights are dead on or at least on paper then co witnesing even just at home with an empty weapon should get your red dot on target. this picture is how to co witness. just in case your doing it differently. make sure the red dot sits right on top of the front sight post when looking through the rear peep sight. You must be looking through the rear peep sight in order to have an efective co witness

 

[true_shooter]

You MUST sight in over sandbags or other SOLID support. You can't do it freehand - it's simply not possible for you hold the rifle still without support. If you try it, the sights will wonder all over the place, whether scope, dot or iron.

maybe not possible to get it perfectly zeroed but i would say from personal experience its very possible to get darn close to bullseye sighting freehand especially with the use of a sling. still as you mentioned the absolute best way to sight in a weapon is from a very stable platform weather it be sand bags bipod sled or ransom rest

 

[true_shooter]

If your irons are on the bullseye and your hitting the target adjust your dot to sit on top of your front sight post.

 

[boamedt]

ah my bad...ya it was at 25 yards/75 ft, oh and this is how my gun is set up right now. So i cant look through the rear sight, the red dot and the front sight at the same time(co witness?)...i think i mis used the word co-witness...i just meant with the rifle on the bipod, on the table, i aimed with the the iron sights at the bulls eye, which are pretty much on. then, not moving the gun, looked through the red dot, and it looked like the diagram i posted

 

[true_shooter]

i forgot your red dot is mounted on a carry handle........ so try this if you can still look through your rear peep sight aim in at your target's bullseye, now be very very steady without moving your rifle and look through your red dot adjust your red dot untill it is also on the bullseye viola. you can actually do this at home with out firing a shot if you have a hallway or something. if you cant see through your rear peep without removing your red dot, then move your target up to 5 yards aim with your red dot at the bullseye and fire at this distance your hopefully going to be on paper. adjust your red dot untill it hits bullseye at 5 yards then move the target back to 25 yards and you should be on paper then adjust untill your happy with it. it sounds like your red dot is aime way low and to the right so if these methods don't work crank your red dot up and left.

 

[tacticaledge]

hey boamedt these links might help
How to Zero your AR15 / M4 / M16A2 Platform: Mechanical Zero & the 25m Target - YouTube


http://www.bobdbob.com/~deneb/doc/targets/m16a2-25m-zero.pdf

 

[Majorlk]

maybe not possible to get it perfectly zeroed but i would say from personal experience its very possible to get darn close to bullseye sighting freehand especially with the use of a sling. still as you mentioned the absolute best way to sight in a weapon is from a very stable platform weather it be sand bags bipod sled or ransom rest

That's fine for an experienced shooter who know how to properly use a sling.

 

[boamedt]

hey thanks everybody....learn somethin new every day

 

[MAD FALCON]

Try this

This most basic of shooting skills is also one of the easiest, once you know how. Here's how to get on target without burning up a pile of ammo.
Difficulty: Easy
Time Required: 30 minutes
Here's How:
1. Check your gun to make sure it's in good, safe working order.
2. Make sure the ammunition you have is the correct cartridge for your gun. Use only the ammo your gun is marked for!
3. Find a safe place to shoot, such as a public shooting range or other location with a sufficient backstop and a guarantee that no one will cross your line of fire.
4. If you plan to do your shooting on private land, get permission. If on public land, check the laws governing it. Trespass with a firearm is a felony!
5. Start out at close range; around 25 yards for a rifle, 15 yards with a handgun.
6. Use a solid rest, and take your time. Before each shot, take a deep breath, let half of it out, then hold it.
7. Fire two or three shots and note their location on the target. If they are fairly close together, you're ready to adjust your sights. If they're not, then you're probably not resting steadily or are flinching.
8. Once you've shot a reasonably tight group (one or two inches with a rifle, two or three inches with a handgun), adjust your sights.
9. Move the rear sight in the direction you want the bullet to go. For example, if you're shooting low, raise the rear sight. If you're shooting left, move the rear sight to the right.
10. If you're using a scope, adjust the crosshairs in the direction indicated on the scope. If you're shooting low and left, turn the screws "up" and "right" the respective number of clicks (see tip 2 below).
11. Shoot another group of two or three.
12. Re-adjust your sights depending on where you shot the group in step 11.
13. Repeat steps 11 & 12 until you're on target. For rifle shooting, you'll want to fine-tune the sights, usually at a distance of 100 yards. The point of impact will sometimes be noticeably different between 25 and 100 yards.
Tips:
1. ALWAYS keep guns pointed in a safe direction.

 

[rojodiablo]

im in the same boat with you lol. ill have my scope bore sighted on thursday no idea what it is but i hope it will help

I have found it to not be necessary. Start as TrueShooter has suggested; get CLOSE tot he target for your initial shooting. 10 yards- no lie. At 30 feet, you can see where you are hitting. Use a target that is a 1/4 sheet of plywood- 2ft x 2ft. Aim for the center, see where you hit. Adjust as needed. If you see a mark say 6" high, and 4" left- that is a big amount of movement. Do not be shy about winding in a half crank at a time on rough adjustments at this close range. Once you get it within a few inches of the center, back up to 30 yards. Again, adjust as necessary.
At 30 yards, you are pretty good for a .22lr gun out to 75 yards. Maybe a half inch of drop. For a centerfire rifle, with iron sights, the sights are set for 50 and 200 yards. SOOooo- when you can hit a bullseye (Or close) you will be at the same point at 200 yards. On AR type iron sights, there are 2 rear oracles. The larger ring is for 50 yards. You flip it up to the tiny peep, and that is out to 200 yards.

I just sighted in my 308 AR with a Weaver 6x fixed scope; it took 4 shots at 30 and 3 at 75 yards. Good to 150 yards, no drop to deal with until 200.