Need some help regarding NYC

[ultra12]

I recently got my NYC premises and target pistol license and picked up my first revolver. I usually go to a friends privates club/range in NJ to shoot my rifle since he has up to 300 yards. As always rifles are transported locked and empty with bullets also locked.
I know that hand guns are a lot more sensitive issue so I called NJPD to inquire about the transport o a handgun over state border. I was told that as long as is locked and empty with bullets locked I can transport it to a range(since I do have a target permit). To double check I called My friend who is NYPD officer who confirmed that a far as he is concerned if he stopes a person who legally has the right to own a gun in NYC everything is fine. I went a step further and called NYPD permit department. An officer picked up the phone and notified me that NO the gun can't be transported out of state (I asked what about something along the lines of an NRA shoot - the answer is still NO) he also told me because my license is restricted premises I can't even go to a range outside NYC(but I can take it hunting all over the state) which doesn't make any sense. So NJPD is ok with me bringing my gun to target practice but NY is not. Now I know as long as you abide by the rulles don't speed no one will know where you are going and what you have in your car but in case some day I do get stopped I would like to know what my rights are and what is allowed and why.

I also asked my NYPD officer friend about Florida and Utah out of state ccw license so that I can carry the gun but mainly have it as a backup on hunting in PA and other local states. He told me that's long as I have the gun registered on that CCW license (so it would be registered under NYC premises license and lets say Florida out of state CCW). I asked the same question to the officer who I brought my gun for inspection and was told that I CANT take my gun that is registered in NYC out of state. And if I have a residence in lets say PA or Florida I will need a diff gun to register and carry under that CCW.

I am getting to completely contradicting answers. I hope maybe someone here is LEO or a lawyer and can give me a concrete answer regarding going to a neighboring state to target practice, using gun as back up in the woods and a Florida out of state CCW.

 

[ladder13]

I "think" you need to be legal in the state you're going TO or if it's a "sanctioned event", such as a tournament.
You checked with NJ and they said no problem bringing the gun INTO the state and not just PASSING THRU(peaceable journey)?
NJ does not recognize your non-resident license from FL, so that's a moot point.
There's no gun registration in Fl or Pa.

 

[ultra12]

NJ has no real hunting so I am only concern about bringing gun in to NJ and to the range

 

[ladder13]

NJ has no real hunting so I am only concern about bringing gun in to NJ and to the range

I may be wrong(nothing new ) but I don't think you can bring the gun to a range in NJ just to shoot paper targets. It needs to be an "event".
Call the NJ State Police for the answer.

 

[ultra12]

NJPD told me as long as its locked a stored properly they don't care. But it's not in writing so I will triple check that

 

[PDL]

First of all, here's a website to help you out. New Jersey State Police - Firearms Information

I don't have a FL CCW, but I do have a UT one. No firearms connected to that at all. My buddy has a FL CCW and there's no firearm connected to that either. I know some states require a specific firearm or type but neither of those two do.

NJ doesn't recognize any out of state CCWs. PA does honor UT non-resident permits. UT used to be good for non-residents, but I believe they've changed their law to require you to have your state's CCW if it issues one. FL and AZ are two good choices for non-resident permits still.

As far as going to a range in NJ, it doesn't have to be for any particular reason other that to shoot. But it can't just be you buddy's backyard. You also must be taking the most direct route to and from the range. In otherwords, don't stop at McDonalds etc while you've got a firearm in your vehicle.

 

[krdshrk]

I live in NJ - it is 100% legal for a NYC resident to bring their gun(s) to the range to shoot...

 

[wheelgun28]

I live in NJ - it is 100% legal for a NYC resident to bring their gun(s) to the range to shoot...

Even with out a FOID ?

I cant even buy pistol ammo in NJ with out one.

I was told they WILL issue NJ FOID to non residents. This however isnt a permit to carry.

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

The obvious answer is that it doesn't matter what the law is because you have no assurance that the arresting officer or the judge will follow the law, either in NYC or in NJ. A close second for obvious is that you should not think that you have found out what the law is by asking an LEO. You haven't even found out what the arresting officer will do - you have only found out what ONE LEO thinks the law is, and what one LEO will do. And that's if his sergeant doesn't change his mind for him. Another obvious, but often useless, observation is that you are living in the wrong state, and I don't mean NY vs NJ. Many would argue that I am living in a wrong state. Have you ever considered moving south of the Mason-Dixon line or west of the Mississippi? Or maybe even just to Pennsylvania?

 

[badge]

Do not rely on the Internet friend. Contact the AG's office as well as the State Police in both states as well as an attorney well versed is firearms law in NY state. I am sure the NRA can recommend someone reputable.

 

[Powder Burns]

The obvious answer is that it doesn't matter what the law is because you have no assurance that the arresting officer or the judge will follow the law, either in NYC or in NJ.

That's what I'm thinking. They are already breaking constitutional law by "licensing" a civil right.

 

[RSWMTB]

Reading this makes me sad...that there are states (the Peoples Republic of Newyorrkistan) in our great country. I grew up in New Yorrkistan and once I left, I'll never go back.

 

[Powder Burns]

Yep. Its like a separate country.
If only the anti Bill of Rights, pro-crime government personel responsible for this mess would be prosecuted for being traitors to the US Constitution...and properly hanged...things would change for the better.

 

[ladder13]

I believe the guy was asking for help, maybe I'm wrong.

 

[wheelgun28]

I believe the guy was asking for help, maybe I'm wrong.

You mean the proper answer isn't move out of NY or NJ?

Then it must be lets bash NY and NJ, that will help?

 

[ladder13]

You mean the proper answer isn't move out of NY or NJ?

Then it must be lets bash NY and NJ, that will help?

Tom, next time you pass thru NY, I'm going to hold you hostage.

 

[ScottieG59]

The authoritative source for most of this is the state attorney general's office. There may be knowledge LEO out there, but opinions will vary on some things. It is just too easy to find yourself in a legal quagmire if you ask for legal advice in an Internet forum.

When you ask, the answer should not be just an opinion. The law should be cited. One more thing is that laws change and tracking the process at the state level can be difficult. It is easy to think you are reading a law when it is just a document being reviewed in committee.
Again, the state attorney general is a starting place. NYC may be more complicated, but the city prosecutor may be a starting place. I am sure the prosecutor would rather show you how to stay legal rather than have to press charges on something later.

Where I live in Kansas, when I had questions, I personally phones the county attorney. He took the time to address my questions personally. I have also checked with the Kansas Attorney General's Office.

 

[ultra12]

It's deff a grey area. I also asked for hunting authorization which allows me to transport pistol in nys and carry it loaded while afield. The language is very vague and confusing. It's doesn't make my gun illigal outside NYC but it does violate premises license rules an regulations. So best case scenario no one knows and everything is good worst case licensing devision finds out and take away my license. I wrote a letter to attorney general of ny with a question regarding going to a range outside city limits with hunting authorization. I will update once I receive my answers.

 

[krdshrk]

Even with out a FOID ?

I cant even buy pistol ammo in NJ with out one.

I was told they WILL issue NJ FOID to non residents. This however isnt a permit to carry.

Yes - Even without the NJ Firearms ID card. The FID is really only for NJ Residents to purchase long guns and ammunition. It allows us to also transport long guns (unloaded of course), to places other than just the range/home.

You can't buy pistol ammo in NJ without one, yes... but that does not mean you can't go to the range.

The NJ Gun Forums that I'm on has more info on this - and yes, IANAL (I am not a lawyer), but this has been discussed to death there.

If you are transporting SOLELY to the range and to back home, you are fine.

 

[Powder Burns]

I believe the guy was asking for help, maybe I'm wrong.

You're right we (I) are (am) off topic. Apologies.