New .32 Ultimate Carry coming

[demkofour]

As previously stated, I retrofitted my 642-UC with a factory Ti cylinder and it's outstanding. But kinda snappy with personal defense ammunition (other than mid-range wadcutters.
The Ti cylinder on the .32 H&R Magnum UCs is go8ng to be an absolute winner!

 

[Mike SC Hunter]

Lipseys should buy S&W

S&W should hook back up with LEW HORTON.

 

[Doug M.]

I live and work in a "non-permissive environment". Carry is not illegal, but would upset the villagers if they were to discover, to their horror that you were not unarmed.
Carrying something larger means either a wardrobe change or printing risk for me.

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I don't like J frames as general rule. They are usually a very limited niche platform for me. Nyeti and those w/him are have done a look at these platforms based on a close in defense/BUG use. At this time, this platform has a lot a of value. If the platform does not fit your need, don't buy it.

If you think the powerful caliber, longer barrel, etc. is what you need/desire, go to Lipsey's and persuade them to make what you want. Same with variants models of the MGs or anything else. These are good starts. Dutch67 speaks truth. So if the NPE model fits you, good. Understand that he had insight that matters, and allow for that.

 

[Boscobarbell]

Do we know then these Ti models will ship? And will they be listed on the SW website or remain a Lipsey's only option?

 

[Boscobarbell]

Federal's offering a defense .32 H&R Magnum load; they used the UC for development.

Their results:

32 H&R Magnum 85gr. Hydra-Shok Deep:

Rated Velocity from 4" Vented Test Barrel: 1025 FPS

Actual average velocity from S&W 1-7/8" UC used in the testing protocols: 1012 FPS

Average calibrated bare ordnance gelatin penetration was 14" with average expansion size of 0.481".

Average calibrated heavy clothing (denim, fleece, dress shirt, t-shirt) ordnance gelatin was 14.5" penetration with average expansion size of 0.479"

When will this round come to market?

 

[demkofour]

Do we know then these Ti models will ship? And will they be listed on the SW website or remain a Lipsey's only option?

Lipsey's says mid-February.

 

[joebuck]

None of this hype makes any sense. With the 340PD you have a gun that is lighter and has 10X amount of ammo choices and you can load it with factory ammo that is as soft or crazy powerful as you want. This is just another product that will go away soon like the first run of .32's. Silly.

 

[seldon14]

None of this hype makes any sense. With the 340PD you have a gun that is lighter and has 10X amount of ammo choices and you can load it with factory ammo that is as soft or crazy powerful as you want. This is just another product that will go away soon like the first run of .32's. Silly.

Now load it with 6 rounds at once......

 

[Hapworth]

When will this round come to market?

Presumably soon since those involved in its development are okayed to talk about it, and I'm sure Federal wants to ride the wave from the current S&W releases.

That said, I haven't seen a date announced.

There will also be a more affordable practice round coming out along with it under Federal's American Eagle banner.

 

[demkofour]

Presumably soon since those involved in its development are okayed to talk about it, and I'm sure Federal wants to ride the wave from the current S&W releases.

That said, I haven't seen a date announced.

There will also be a more affordable practice round coming out along with it under Federal's American Eagle banner.

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[demkofour]

With regards to some posts about the Ultimate Carry and in particular the .32 H&R Magnum versions of it, here's what I was able to come up with through some reliable outlets…

Sales of the 32 UC are ahead of the 38 (Jason Cloessner of Lipseys mentioned this publicly on the podcast Lipseys did with Chris Laack of Federal Ammunition at Shot Show).

Federal ammunition amongst other manufacturers are fully supporting the .32 and bringing out new .32 loads and also increasing ammunition production of .32.

When you watch the Lipsey's Podcast with Chris of Federal Ammunition, their new hydra shock deep round is getting excellent penetration and expansion and in the words of Federal ammunition, is outperforming many 38 Spl rounds.

The number of people that actually want to shoot .357 Mag ammunition from a lightweight J-frame is very small and for the majority of people, a lightweight J in .32 is much better solution than a .357 Mag from a recoil management standpoint.

Plus you get the bonus of 20% more ammunition- 6 rounds instead of 5.

 

[gto364ci]

S&W/Lipsey's actually listening to customers and giving them what they want, this is a good development.

 

[David Sinko]

I have some interest as I already reload the cartridge. Is that rear sight adjustable for windage? I guess that could solve any cockeyed barrel shroud issues. My 340PD has the cockeyed barrel shroud and that annoys me to no end. I like the .32 but I'm wary of what passes for S&W's current quality control.

 

[Martyk]

I have some interest as I already reload the cartridge. Is that rear sight adjustable for windage? I guess that could solve any cockeyed barrel shroud issues. My 340PD has the cockeyed barrel shroud and that annoys me to no end. I like the .32 but I'm wary of what passes for S&W's current quality control.

Yes, the rear sight on the 432UC & the 632UC is adjustable for windage. In regards to your concerns about S&W's quality control issues, I have both the 432UC & the 632UC. The 432UC went back to Smith for a frame replacement. The 632UC had a bad front sight. Smith sent me a free replacement, which I had to install. YMMV

 

[govt 380]

Recently I asked and posted if it was so terrible to choose lower recoil 90gr. 38sp. out of a Ruger LCR, even if you ended up with 380 ballistics? Likewise, already owning the 13.5oz LCR, why buy a 32mag? Just for an extra round and a little less recoil?

 

[geeollie]

The 90 grain FTX in 38 sp does not do well in gel testing.
The best you can get is maybe 12 inches, while most are somewhat less. This is less than several of the best .380 rounds. Gel testing is not the end all to all questions, but it is a good indicator of what real life might give you.

A 32 S&W Long 100 grain wad cutter at 800 fps has been shown to repeatedly penetrate 14-17 inches. And this is with very little felt recoil.
This is what drew me to the 327, 32 H&R firearms Like the UC and LCR. 6 rounds of very soft recoil that I can shoot really fast and accurately and fully expect those rounds to be enough to defend my life.

I really do not like 327 magnum. Several makers have 32 H&R that is almost powder puff and effective. At least 3 makers produce a 32 S&W Long wadcutter that work. It may not be the very best choice for everyone but it ain't a bad one for many people.

 

[sigp220.45]

The .32 caliber in all of its iterations has consistantly "punched above its weight class" in the various "stopping power" studies.

In Marshall and Sanow (which I believe was fatally flawed) the .32 ACP often did better than the .45 ACP, which caused many to discount the whole study. Why? Becuz Jeff Cooper said so!

Greg Ellifritz found the same thing. See chart below.

Could it be true? I think it is. Easy to shoot means good hits. Small hard bullet at a decent velocity means deep penetration.

I'm happy with my .32 handguns.

 

[John Adams]

Marshall and Sanow "fatally flawed"! Hilarious line by Sig220.45

 

[gary135r]

I just bought the 642 UC. I haven't shot it yet but was wondering if anybody has, or have thoughts on that model. To me, the sights, was what sold me. I have read some people like VZ grips others don't. If I don't they are easy to change. I know sights aren't the main thing for a snubbie, but they can't hurt.