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New 686 Mountain gun
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larry8
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My last model 36 no dash that was LNIB from an estate had a poorly fit yoke button and the hammer would drag the left side of the frame. I had to hone down the yoke screw and there was nothing I could do about the hammer drag. Wound up selling it to someone who didn’t really care. In fact there were some big batches around 69-71 that would lock up completely.
As for hammer drag, if you remove the hammer ,there are shims of .0005 and '001, and .0015" that you can buy (I think from a few after market parts suppliers) I cant remember the name now. (Numrich)? Reinstalling the hammer with a shim on the side that touched will keep it away and ease up the trigger pull somewhat.
As for hammer drag, if you remove the hammer ,there are shims of .0005 and '001, and .0015" that you can buy (I think from a few after market parts suppliers) I cant remember the name now. (Numrich)? Reinstalling the hammer with a shim on the side that touched will keep it away and ease up the trigger pull somewhat.
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Yeah but by this point I realized owning a model 36 in Florida is more trouble than it’s worth due to the humidity. I switched to a new 637
That is more than unsightly. I think I would ask S&W to have a look at that.
Venom6
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Just got mine yesterday. Action is good, no endshake, good timing and carryup. Firing pin protrusion is minimal, so I am getting 25% light hits/no ignition. It's not the strain screw; pin protrusion is visibly less than my other L-frames (frame or hammer-mounted). I think there is a burr (that I can't see) on the crane lock as both opening and closing are extremely difficult (I've got dozens of DA S&Ws so am not new to the genre). When I push on the lock it moves but feels gritty, even after lubing. The gun was ordered from Lipseys when announced at SHOT in January, and was sent from them to my LGS, presumably brand new. It was dirty in the chambers, barrel, and recoil shield well beyond the typical factory test-firing with which I am familiar. Though back face of the front sight is cut for the gold bead, the bead is missing, and was no where in the box. Starting to look like it should not have passed final inspection, assuming there is still such a thing at S&W. I've emailed them, so we shall see.
Bullseye Smith
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All I can see wrong is a group that would bitch if their ice cream was cold. Didn't mean to upset anyone (HA-HA). the only thing I would check to make sure the bore of the cylinder lined up with the barrel bore by looking down the barrel with a empty cylinder. If cylinder turns right OK and trigger does OK. I would say it's OK. Enjoy the ICE CREAM!!!!!
Too much torque on the grip screw and the grain in just the right place.
I repaired a set of combats last year that failed in the same manner.
Nice job!
Yendor357
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I don’t know what you guys are paying for a new 686. And you don’t have to tell me.
But for $1400 plus tax, plus $250 to Mike Heffron for one of his Component Part SA trigger jobs, plus a $125 Wilson rear sight, You get a really nice Python with a hairline crane/frame gap
*Ive posted this a couple of times already…… I recently bought a M69 that the previous owner put a spring kit in, for about $1000 cheaper than the above mentioned Python. The Smith M69 is a very nice revolver. It’s a very good value. It doesn’t need a trigger job. It doesn’t need a new rear sight. The last 3 shots from that little monster hit a 1.75” square black at 30 yards off a rest. (I had better sense than to shoot any more). The used M69 may not be quite as pretty as my new 3 inch Python. But it shoots just as good for a lot less money.
But for $1400 plus tax, plus $250 to Mike Heffron for one of his Component Part SA trigger jobs, plus a $125 Wilson rear sight, You get a really nice Python with a hairline crane/frame gap
*Ive posted this a couple of times already…… I recently bought a M69 that the previous owner put a spring kit in, for about $1000 cheaper than the above mentioned Python. The Smith M69 is a very nice revolver. It’s a very good value. It doesn’t need a trigger job. It doesn’t need a new rear sight. The last 3 shots from that little monster hit a 1.75” square black at 30 yards off a rest. (I had better sense than to shoot any more). The used M69 may not be quite as pretty as my new 3 inch Python. But it shoots just as good for a lot less money.
BoulderTroll
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I'm not in any way tempted. I know it is 100% subjective, but I think every Colt revolver aside from the SAA is ugly as sin. More importantly, I have far too much muscle-memory of pushing forward to release a cylinder, as opposed to Colt's pulling the button back. I would never trust myself if I needed to use a revolver in a critical situation with an opposite manual of arms.
Going by sold out prices on a gun.deals search, new 686 MG have gone for $1013 on the low end and the MSRP of $1199.99 on the high end.
In recent completed Gunbroker auctions, there are six people who paid over MSRP for one. Five failed to sell above MSRP, and one failed to sell at MSRP.
These will probably be easily found for $1100 or less in about six months. Just like the UC guns, it's not limited production, and so long as gun stores keep ordering them from Lipsey's, Lipsey's will keep ordering them from S&W.
I never particularly cared for the DA trigger feel of Colt revolvers, and that includes the new Python. It's better than the old ones in that respect, but still not as good as a good S&W.
In recent completed Gunbroker auctions, there are six people who paid over MSRP for one. Five failed to sell above MSRP, and one failed to sell at MSRP.
These will probably be easily found for $1100 or less in about six months. Just like the UC guns, it's not limited production, and so long as gun stores keep ordering them from Lipsey's, Lipsey's will keep ordering them from S&W.
I never particularly cared for the DA trigger feel of Colt revolvers, and that includes the new Python. It's better than the old ones in that respect, but still not as good as a good S&W.
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I'm not doubting you, but where are you searching for to find these GB sales? I've checked the listings on GB for both auction and buy now since the Wednesday they first released, by searching under the SKU, under "686 Mountain Gun", and every other variable of that. I've never seen one that didn't sell, and the only one currently on GB has five bids and is currently at $1326, with 1 day left on the auction. I definitely didn't see any that failed to sell at MSRP, let alone any even listed at MSRP.
As for gun.deals, there is no evidence that any 686 MG's have sold for below MSRP. I went to the sites that had them listed for less, like the $1013, and $1018 ones you mentioned, and the sites simply say, "out of stock", with nothing indicating they ever had them in stock. While I agree that prices on these will eventually come down, I have a very hard time believing any have been sold for below MSRP yet, or so many folks would not be paying well above MSRP.
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SWFan27
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I would ask S&W to send you replacement grips. They sent me some for my 19-9. I was told by their customer service that they warrant grips/stocks for the first year.
Actually, I misread this in my rush. Only 3 failed to sell for sure, one at MSRP, one at $1249, and one where they're selling it as a combo with a 629 MG at $2499.
This is in "Advanced Search," Completed items, and filtering for new only on GB.
BoulderTroll
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Yeah, I just found it using the advanced search, like you said. It doesn't show how long the listing was up, but that seller is no longer listing it. The most likely conclusion would be that it sold in store, and the GB listing was ended early, or he probably would have it re-listed. It's possible someone has a good buddy in the industry, and sold him a copy at dealer cost, but aside from that, I doubt the general public have ever paid below MSRP for one of these yet. The demand is clearly there right now, when Lipsey's said every one of them is currently allocated before it even arrives at this point.
Yes, it's difficult to say. In-store at MSRP for a dealer could be more attractive than eating Gunbroker fees and bothering with shipping, especially if they don't move that much on GB. A top 1000 seller will pay $47 in GB fees on a gun that sells for $1200.
However, a good amount of people have paid MSRP simply by being in the right place at the right time. If you search the SKU on gun.deals, you'll see at least 14 out of stock listings, all of which sold for MSRP or less. I'm sure there were many more in-store, especially for regular customers. My father got a decent deal on his 632UC from the LGS he frequents; it was the first 432/632UC that they got in stock. Some stores just don't mark things up above MSRP, some just don't routinely do it, and some have become notorious for it (LOOKING AT YOU, CHEAPER THAN DIRT).
I've told this story before, but that's how I got my 642UC in February of last year for about 10% under MSRP, when markups on GB were the norm. I was at work on a Friday night, searched the SKUs for it and the 442UC on gun.deals just before midnight, and my 642UC popped up at Georgia Gun Store. I'm sure that if I waited until Monday morning, it would've sold over the weekend.
This year, I was able to get the new steel frame M&P Spec Series V from the first batch to hit stores for MAP ($200 under MSRP) from White Birch Armory in NH. They're limited to 5,000, but they're also the first steel frame M&P. I was on vacation and searched on gun.deals in the morning. Good chance it would've been gone by the next day. It isn't currently difficult to find guns from the second batch of them for MAP, but it was when I got mine. Amusingly, I saw a FB post in a CZ group from someone in a CZ group about getting the new Shadow 2 Carry from White Birch for a good price. I replied that I got my M&P from them for a good price, and one of the shop employees replied that they believe in fair prices.
I don't know how big the first order of each MG was, but if it's like the UC guns, it's at least 1,000 of each model. Speculation here, but a new forging die for the barrels was probably the major tooling expense for the project.
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But this is the part I'm not getting; what makes you think they sold for those prices, either MSRP or lower? "Out of stock" doesn't in any way mean they ever had any in stock, or have sold any... For instance, Sportsman's Warehouse shows models like the new Model 10 no-lock as "out of stock", but they have not yet received any. Companies will often list new items as soon as they are officially "released", even if they have received no inventory.
Bruceboy
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Never noticed before but checked a number of my S&W revolvers from a model 15 to a model 57 and you have to fiddle to get a single sheet of paper in any with the cylinder closed. I doubt if it would affect function but if I had my druthers I'd pick an older model. That said, I sure like the looks of the Mountain Gun.
Congrats,
Al
Congrats,
Al
