New 9mm shields
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I just saw a YouTube last night from one of the big "training companies". They recommended getting the Shield bacause it "doesn't need any improvements like the Glock".
They both seem to be very fine guns.
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I've had my 9mm Shield since the first week it was released, I now have close to 2,000 round through it, and still zero malfunctions.
I've had my Glock 43 approximately a year, and about 500 rounds through it, and zero malfunctions.
They are both very similar pistols, with the Glock being just slightly smaller. (My perception anyway.) It really comes down to what feels more comfortable to the shooter. These are both very fine defensive sub-compact pistols.
As far as accuracy issues go, I'm always a bit amazed how some people seem to believe that their concealed carry pistol should be a match-grade pistol, capable of sub MOA groups. The reality is these pistols were designed to be compact, reliable, and reasonably accurate. They were designed to be close quarters defensive pistols, NOT a sniper rifle. Yes, they should be held to a reasonable accuracy standard, which in the case of both of these pistols, they surpass the accuracy for a defensive pistol. The standard they were designed for is MOA, that's Minute Of Ambush.
I have always been concerned about putting a lighter match grade trigger in a defensive pistol. Under stress in a self defense situation, you are not going to be able to tell the difference between a 6-7 pound trigger, and 3-4 pound trigger. Your adrenaline will help with that. I'm also not very concerned with a crisp trigger reset, again because in a gunfight, I highly doubt the average person is going to be trying to only release the trigger just enough for the reset. I've interviewed several dozen people who have been in a gunfight, and the two incidents I was involved in, and trigger reset never was a consideration. Yes, for a match gun in say an IPSC combat match maybe, but the bullets aren't headed back at you from the target either.
Both of these pistols are excellent defensive carry pistols in stock form. It really depends on what feels the best to the individual shooter, as to which one they should carry.
I've had my Glock 43 approximately a year, and about 500 rounds through it, and zero malfunctions.
They are both very similar pistols, with the Glock being just slightly smaller. (My perception anyway.) It really comes down to what feels more comfortable to the shooter. These are both very fine defensive sub-compact pistols.
As far as accuracy issues go, I'm always a bit amazed how some people seem to believe that their concealed carry pistol should be a match-grade pistol, capable of sub MOA groups. The reality is these pistols were designed to be compact, reliable, and reasonably accurate. They were designed to be close quarters defensive pistols, NOT a sniper rifle. Yes, they should be held to a reasonable accuracy standard, which in the case of both of these pistols, they surpass the accuracy for a defensive pistol. The standard they were designed for is MOA, that's Minute Of Ambush.
I have always been concerned about putting a lighter match grade trigger in a defensive pistol. Under stress in a self defense situation, you are not going to be able to tell the difference between a 6-7 pound trigger, and 3-4 pound trigger. Your adrenaline will help with that. I'm also not very concerned with a crisp trigger reset, again because in a gunfight, I highly doubt the average person is going to be trying to only release the trigger just enough for the reset. I've interviewed several dozen people who have been in a gunfight, and the two incidents I was involved in, and trigger reset never was a consideration. Yes, for a match gun in say an IPSC combat match maybe, but the bullets aren't headed back at you from the target either.
Both of these pistols are excellent defensive carry pistols in stock form. It really depends on what feels the best to the individual shooter, as to which one they should carry.
I've read about a lot of people who had both, but sold one for whatever reason.
Some sold the G43, some sold the Shield.
I had both.
When doing a 5x5 drill, I pulled the G43 shots low left.
Doing the same drill with the Shield I can usually keep all shots on the 5" card.
If shooting slow target practice, I shot both guns about the same.
If shooting on a timer, I always shot the Shield better.
I sold the G43, even though it was a little smaller and seemed a little easier to carry.
Your mileage may vary.
It just depends on how well you shoot the G43.
Some sold the G43, some sold the Shield.
I had both.
When doing a 5x5 drill, I pulled the G43 shots low left.
Doing the same drill with the Shield I can usually keep all shots on the 5" card.
If shooting slow target practice, I shot both guns about the same.
If shooting on a timer, I always shot the Shield better.
I sold the G43, even though it was a little smaller and seemed a little easier to carry.
Your mileage may vary.
It just depends on how well you shoot the G43.
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The only thing I didn't like about this video was when he pulled out the bottle of jack. Not a good impression joking or not.
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Joeyg, if you haven't made up your mind on what to get, you might take a gander at the Walther PPS. It's supposed to be pretty good with a superior trigger.
On sale, $299 with free shipping:Walther PPS M2 9mm
On sale, $299 with free shipping:Walther PPS M2 9mm
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I have a Walter PPX and a Walter P22QD. If the PPS has the same sweet trigger pull and outstanding grip of those 2 I would recommend it highly. I've become a Walther fan.
Hi Joey3023,
I'm extremely discriminating when it comes to self-defense handguns. My life is pretty darn important to me. I own no striker fire handguns. Were I to cave and buy one, it'd be a Shield.
I do wish S&W would revive the 5904. That was about the best 9MM I've ever fired. It's an equal to the Sig P226.
I'm extremely discriminating when it comes to self-defense handguns. My life is pretty darn important to me. I own no striker fire handguns. Were I to cave and buy one, it'd be a Shield.
I do wish S&W would revive the 5904. That was about the best 9MM I've ever fired. It's an equal to the Sig P226.
Wow, my experience with a shield 1.0 (stock, manuf may 2017) has been nothing but very good.
Last time at the range I fired a pps m2 LE edition and let him fire my shield 9mm and taurus pt111 g2 millenium pro. The shield trigger was definitely the equal of the pps, I liked the larger dots on the pps. He was seriously wanting to go buy a shield himself after that.
He was also flat floored by the replacement trigger I put in my pt111 (he had a stock pt111 with him as well).
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My buddy bought the PPS M2 a few weeks ago and I was able to shoot it side by side with my Shield. While the Shield is great, that PPS M2 is a very fine pistol.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
I wish I could say wich one I like better, but I really can't, I have an XDS 9mm, Kahr PM9, Walther PPS M2, S&W PC Shield 9mm, and a 2.0 interrogated CT Green laser, and a Glock 43, and I like something about them all, no problems with any of them so far, all these makers are putting out some really nice single stack 9mm, and they're reliable...if you are limited to just one gun, I would suggest you try as many as you can before making up your mind...now we have another small 9 coming out and should be a fine gun also, and that's the Sig P365, not a single stack but comes in at the same size, holds 10 +1 and 12+1 with the optional magazine, can't wait to see and handle this one..
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What's a reasonable expectation for these in the 3" barrel segment? I ask knowing that it's all on the shooter, so I'd like to know what I should work towards.
What I can say about the Shield is that when it was new to me I couldn't hit the 6" plates at 10 yards but now I can hit them pretty consistently. Groupings on paper... well I only do Bill Drills with it and sometimes the groupings are better with my Shield than my G19.
