New Beretta 92A1

[oldguy66]

I hope I do not get hung with this question but her goes anyway. Beretta is coming out with a new 9MM, 92A1 model in July 2010 MSRP $690. Since I do not know very much about guns I am wondering what the Forum thinks about this new and improved model?

I know this is like asking what people think about a new Mustang on the Corvette Forum but I have my flame suite on so have a go.
Thanks

 

[S-W4EVER]

If you want the option of attaching a weaponlight to a Beretta, the 92A1 looks like the way to go.

 

[murphydog]

Aside from a few minor modifications, it seems pretty similar to the M9A1 introduced a few years back that the USMC is buying. Nice to be able to change the front sight. Otherwise, for better or worse, it has the same features of the 92/M9 series.

 

[srgvaz]

Aside from a few minor modifications, it seems pretty similar to the M9A1 introduced a few years back that the USMC is buying. Nice to be able to change the front sight. Otherwise, for better or worse, it has the same features of the 92/M9 series.

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These guns have a set design it's like the 1911 the design will not change very much. All they have left is marketing to another nitch. Beretta has to make money and keep overhead low since they changed very little and raised the price once people start buying Beretta will make some good money on their original base design.

 

[wheelgun28]

Ive got the M9 its pretty new(in the last year) I wanted a Beretta 9mm. I choose the M9 because it was going to be phased out for the m9a1. Its really the same gun less the rail and "special coated mags". Mine came from the factory with laser grips. The grips arent the same as you can buy any place, they are green and have the Beretta logo on them. I didnt really want laser grips, but...

I have big hands, this gun fits me well. It shoots well, after about a thousand rounds I dont think its ever failed. Some people dislike the whole 92 series, its ok to me, I like it better than the glock, go figure...

 

[The Last Standing Knight]

A question here...

First, I do not and will not own a Beretta M92/M9/M10. This does not mean I do not like other Beretta products. The times I have handled and fired Beretta handguns was in the service back when the M1911A1 was being replaced. I consider it a pistol that is carried much but used little.

Having said that, I do not understand why (at least on a handgun) people have to try to turn a defensive weapon into a Swiss Army Knife. I can see some (VERY few) situations where such things MIGHT serve a purpose. To me, it is overcomplicating the plumbing, slows down the ability to bring the weapon to bear quickly if needed, adds unnecessary weight, and requires maintenance and logistics.

Why do people want to turn a handgun into something Buck Rogers would envy?

Not to mention I have seen recently probably the most ridiculous thing to ever be put on a pistol: a BAYONET! (huh?).

I carried an M203 for years in the service and loved it. I can also see certain things on a rifle (special sights, etc)...but I think people are getting a little TOO carried away with this "tacticool" stuff.

To each his own, but if the KISS principle doesn't apply, there is more stuff to get caught, get lost, or break...not to mention turning a large two+ pound handgun into something that starts to weigh the equivelent of a carbine.

 

[Jellybean]

I agree with the idea of no rails, and wouldn't own a pistol with them personally, just my opinion.

Other than that, while it may look like previous models, the current trend in gun manufacturing seems to be "use the cheapest material and processes possible for the highest profit with no regard for the buyers hiney". Anymore, before I'd carry any firearm I would try it out and then take it apart for examination.

 

[GatorFarmer]

Pistol bayonets date back to the earliest days of handguns. Their last hurrah, until recently, was probably in WW1. I've seen pictures of Webleys with a pistol bayonet, which at least some people apparently thought would be useful in a trench raid. They've certainly seen use over the years, both as actual weapons and deterrents (keeps someone from grabbing for your weapon).

Anyway, if someone wanted a 92 with a rail I don't see any reason why the new gun wouldn't suffice. Personally, I'd save a few bucks and, if I wanted a TDA railed auto, get an FNP-9, which will also come with three mags from the factory and is a bit of a sleeper.

Berettas tend to be rather large for what they do. Make sure that it will fit your hand.

 

[USAF385]

I don't require rails for anything either. The M9 was the first handgun I ever shot (excluding my dad's old .22 revolver I used to shoot) and I thought I planned on the Beretta being the first handgun I bought. Still hasn't happened... my taste has just changed.

I know this is like asking what people think about a new Mustang on the Corvette Forum but I have my flame suite on so have a go.

Don't worry.. flame suits generally aren't required here.

 

[therevjay]

I suppose a light on a pistol might be useful. The bayonet idea baffles me. I can't possibly imagine a more awkward way of holding a knife, to use as either a weapon or tool.

 

[John Sobieski]

off the rails?

I suppose a light on a pistol might be useful. The bayonet idea baffles me. I can't possibly imagine a more awkward way of holding a knife, to use as either a weapon or tool.

I think this thread has drifted from the original focus on the 92A1. Beretta doesn't advertise or promote a bayonet for the M9/92. The concept was only introduced as part of a straw man argument condemning "tacticool" pistols that "weigh as much as a carbine."

However, as GatorFarmer pointed out, the idea of combining an edged weapon with a handgun isn't new.

The Webley with a Pritchard bayonet below doesn't even appear to require rails.

 

[NCTexan]

I have a few poly guns with a rail but never had a hankering to buy anything to hang on them.

I love my 92FS and think that it's a beautiful gun that has never missed a beat for me. It's a classic.

The slight difference in the slanted dust cover of the 92FS and the military M9 is hard to discern. It's very slight. But once you've recognized it... it will be obvious to you forever more.

To some folks, it's a love/hate thing. To me, it makes no difference.

 

[The Last Standing Knight]

The Elgin pistol was a naval handgun; a last ditch against boarding parties...in its time, it WAS useful. Note: "In it's time" where you had one shot that may or may not discharge under seafaring conditions and wasn't all that accurate.

The revolver with the bayonet, different story. Technology had improved quite a bit since the muzzle loading Elgin.


It has improved even more since that Webley/Enfield.

 

[Brett248Vista]

First, I do not and will not own a Beretta M92/M9/M10. This does not mean I do not like other Beretta products. The times I have handled and fired Beretta handguns was in the service back when the M1911A1 was being replaced. I consider it a pistol that is carried much but used little.

Having said that, I do not understand why (at least on a handgun) people have to try to turn a defensive weapon into a Swiss Army Knife. I can see some (VERY few) situations where such things MIGHT serve a purpose. To me, it is overcomplicating the plumbing, slows down the ability to bring the weapon to bear quickly if needed, adds unnecessary weight, and requires maintenance and logistics.

Why do people want to turn a handgun into something Buck Rogers would envy?

Not to mention I have seen recently probably the most ridiculous thing to ever be put on a pistol: a BAYONET! (huh?).

I carried an M203 for years in the service and loved it. I can also see certain things on a rifle (special sights, etc)...but I think people are getting a little TOO carried away with this "tacticool" stuff.

To each his own, but if the KISS principle doesn't apply, there is more stuff to get caught, get lost, or break...not to mention turning a large two+ pound handgun into something that starts to weigh the equivelent of a carbine.

Choosing a pistol is a personal preference outside of the Military. I chose a Beretta because I like the design, I like the feel, I love the simplicity. Saying they don't get used much? I don't agree. There is nothing wrong with using this pistol and it will hold it's own longevity wise against any other similar quality pistol. I'm over the 500 round mark through my 92FS and I just purchased it a few months ago. Aside from a trigger reset issue caused by the idiot operator not installing the trigger spring correctly, it's been flawless (and even with the trigger spring installed incorrectly, it still managed to fire 200 rounds without a hiccup).

Where I do agree is the rail feature. I don't want any add on's on my pistol (externally) other than the upgraded grips. I do want a laser but I can assure you, until Lasermax comes out with a green diode guide rod laser unit, I won't own one... I want to retain the stock profile of the pistol.

My friend has a Springfield XD9 with the Vididian 5XL and that is a fantastic weapons lite, laser combo, but it effectively turns the XD into a brick, and forget finding an off the shelf holster for it, you either wind up getting a custom made holster or a fanny pack! For his use it's a non-issue since the pistol has become his nightstand weapon but for me I'm not interested in those bolts on's.

 

[sipowicz]

I hope I do not get hung with this question but her goes anyway. Beretta is coming out with a new 9MM, 92A1 model in July 2010 MSRP $690. Since I do not know very much about guns I am wondering what the Forum thinks about this new and improved model?
Thanks

Getting back to your original question....it seems you are not fully sold on the Beretta...I have a 92 and it's a fine duty gun but it isn't the 9mm I would buy with my own money....I find the 92 a bit big for a 9mm and Sigs and HKs fit my hand a bit better. MY P2000 has a rail and I can attach a light but I don't plan to...the rail is a non-issue since it doesn't add any weight and I do have the option in the future of adding a light if I wanted to make it a dedicated nightstand gun. If you shot the Beretta and like it, then it's a no brainer...get what you like.

 

[JcMack]

I never liked "accessory lights" on a gun. It seems like a perfect target for a bad guy.

 

[Texas Star]

Add one more vote for having left the gun as it was.

T-Star

 

[sipowicz]

I never liked "accessory lights" on a gun. It seems like a perfect target for a bad guy.

Maybe with lights of old...but with the new high intensity technology, gun lights are blinding...and that can give you a big edge...

 

[grandpabear]

OK, I have two Model 92s. One I carried as a duty gun (VBPD Aux), a 92SBC (C=Compact; 13+1 rounds) that never failed me; thankfully the only time I shot it was on the range. The second I traded my late wife's Mod. 20's for, a used 92FS without a rail; it now has the .22 conversion kit installed and is a joy to shoot.
Flash forward; today I carry a Taurus PT145, most of the time. It fits in my pocket with 11 (10+1) .45ACP rounds with alloy bullets designed to expend 100% of their energy inside the bad guy. For times when I need a smaller gun I carry a 5-shot S&W.
As for the 92A1, it shows that the 500-year old company is keeping up with what the shooting public wants; except me 'cause I want a .45. I agree that I don't need the extra junk, both of the 92s I have remain stock (.22 kit excepted) although I'm going to get wood grips for the 92FS; it has those nasty rubber grips that don't feel the same and the wood doesn't slip when wet. Oh, we sweat a lot here in Florida so it is nice to have a solid grip.

 

[grandpabear]

Choosing a pistol: use, not bells and whistles

I hope I do not get hung with this question but her goes anyway. Beretta is coming out with a new 9MM, 92A1 model in July 2010 MSRP $690. Since I do not know very much about guns I am wondering what the Forum thinks about this new and improved model?

I know this is like asking what people think about a new Mustang on the Corvette Forum but I have my flame suite on so have a go.
Thanks

You need to ask yourself if a 9mm is what you need for the job you have in mind. Then decide on whether you need one that shoots 2/5 a box of shells per mag 'cause that makes for a pretty bulky pistol. Then go to a large gun shop and handle all the guns, a couple of times. Tell the guy why you are there and he shouldn't get upset; if he does go to a better shop. Finally, do you need to hang a duty light on it? Beretta, and most large frame autos, have grip lasers which are much better than hanging something off the barrel that can get in the way. Anyway, that is my answer to your question; I hope it helps.