New Bodyguard 2.0 Optic Ready
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No offense, but why would you need an optic on a gun that’s meant to be used at bad breath distance?
I’ve been called worse
Seriously though, I think the only real reason is eye sight.
I have a hard time seeing iron sights with my eyes. I can shoot them adequately but the red dot makes it so much easier.
Can I hit what I’m shooting at with irons under 10yds? Yes can I shoot better with the red dot? YES
So why not have the option.
This^ plus I love modding my guns!I’ve been called worse
Seriously though, I think the only real reason is eye sight.
I have a hard time seeing iron sights with my eyes. I can shoot them adequately but the red dot makes it so much easier.
Can I hit what I’m shooting at with irons under 10yds? Yes can I shoot better with the red dot? YES
So why not have the option.
On a different note, I had a Hellcat Pro 2 years ago which I had ported by Monsoon. Springfield now offers that same gun with exact porting, think they owe me royalties, lol!
Far be it from me to tell you guys what to do. Just doesn’t make sense to me.
You put an optic on one of the smallest sub compact’s made and now it’s not a sub compact anymore. It’s not a pocket gun anymore either.
So you might as well step up to a little bit bigger gun in a more effective caliber.
I pocket carry a Glock 43 with stock sights that my old eyes can see. I hit my target effectively out to 10 yards.
But hell, if you want to throw money at something just because, go for it. I just hate to see people waste their money trying to keep up with the latest and greatest stuff that you really don’t need.
You put an optic on one of the smallest sub compact’s made and now it’s not a sub compact anymore. It’s not a pocket gun anymore either.
So you might as well step up to a little bit bigger gun in a more effective caliber.
I pocket carry a Glock 43 with stock sights that my old eyes can see. I hit my target effectively out to 10 yards.
But hell, if you want to throw money at something just because, go for it. I just hate to see people waste their money trying to keep up with the latest and greatest stuff that you really don’t need.
LOLOL!
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I like my Bodyguard 2.0 because it is a pocket friendly size. I would most certainly appreciate better/upgraded iron sights with tritium inserts when they become available. However, a red dot would add more size and bulk that for me personally would detract from the reason I bought it.
Literally every single pistol I own has a red dot..
That being said, the shortest pistol barrel I have is my Shield plus comp carry…
This is one of those times.. I couldn’t bring myself to put a dot on a BG.
If I owned one, it would be pocket carry, point, shoot… aiming would be secondary kinda.
I can certainly appreciate the getting older eyes angle.
That being said, the shortest pistol barrel I have is my Shield plus comp carry…
This is one of those times.. I couldn’t bring myself to put a dot on a BG.
If I owned one, it would be pocket carry, point, shoot… aiming would be secondary kinda.
I can certainly appreciate the getting older eyes angle.
I wouldn't put an optic on a BG 2.0 because it would conflict with my personal usage case for such a pistol (pocket carry semi-auto).
However, if someone just wants a very light pistol (a Shield Plus is a half lb heavier) that they'll exclusively belt carry, every potential benefit of a red dot would still apply.
People's needs may have significant overlap, but the overlap is not 100%. I'm 44 years old and don't need reading glasses yet. A week ago, I talked to a 52 year old police officer who told me that during this year's qualifications, he could barely see his sights. It didn't help that he's got a Beretta 92 that needs to have the slide sent off to get the front tritium insert replaced, but he also told me that he's needed reading glasses since he was 42.
I let him look though my M&P 2.0 with a Holosun 509 ACSS, and his mind was blown when he saw how clear the reticle and the target were.
It's true that private citizen DGUs tend to happen at closer distances than LE shootings, but distances can change very quickly in a gunfight. In concealed carry instructor Tom Givens' data of 67 former students, the vast majority of shootings did not happen at 'bad breath distances.' 0-2 yards was only as common as 15-25 yards at 4% each. 87% were from 3-5 yards.
One may intend for their pocket gun to be used at arms-length, but don't forget that the bad guy gets a vote too.
However, if someone just wants a very light pistol (a Shield Plus is a half lb heavier) that they'll exclusively belt carry, every potential benefit of a red dot would still apply.
People's needs may have significant overlap, but the overlap is not 100%. I'm 44 years old and don't need reading glasses yet. A week ago, I talked to a 52 year old police officer who told me that during this year's qualifications, he could barely see his sights. It didn't help that he's got a Beretta 92 that needs to have the slide sent off to get the front tritium insert replaced, but he also told me that he's needed reading glasses since he was 42.
I let him look though my M&P 2.0 with a Holosun 509 ACSS, and his mind was blown when he saw how clear the reticle and the target were.
It's true that private citizen DGUs tend to happen at closer distances than LE shootings, but distances can change very quickly in a gunfight. In concealed carry instructor Tom Givens' data of 67 former students, the vast majority of shootings did not happen at 'bad breath distances.' 0-2 yards was only as common as 15-25 yards at 4% each. 87% were from 3-5 yards.
One may intend for their pocket gun to be used at arms-length, but don't forget that the bad guy gets a vote too.
SeniorShooter
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They can keep their slide milling for $355! Ridiculous price! That price would be high even if it included the optic...
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$355 includes multi-color cerakote.
If you wanted about as close to an apples-to-apples comparison as you can get, the Monsoon cut comes in at $95 higher than DP Custom's when both include single color cerakote ($260 vs $165). That being said, the BG 2.0 cut requires an adapter plate by necessity of the BG 2.0's tiny slide.
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My computer/front sight vision is not as crisp as it used to be, but XS fixed sights on my BG 2.0 allow me to make C zone hits relatively easy at 40 yards.
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If you watched the video, you heard the presenter state... "Remissed to 10 yard shots", "Bodygaurd sights aren't ideal".
My opinion is S&W likely factored in the BG2 philosophy of use so I tested what I thought they were thinking and below is what I found out. Pocket-mouse-guns' uses are close up, get-off-me firearms intended for one second acquisition. I feel S&W was thinking about this when it comes to the larger "U" notch in the rear, I'll explain....
If found in an unfortunate situation of needing to utilize the BG2 for what it's built for, you may appreciate the rear "U" notch size. At first I recoiled at its canyon like size as well until I thought about it and did a little test.
Using a pistol rest 10yds. away from the target, I centered the front sight equidistant to both rear posts and basically shot out the 10x portion. Then pinning the left side of the front sight to the inside of the rear sight's left post... just enough to not allow light to be seen and fired 5rds. resulting in a nice group landing ~5" left of bullseye X. Repeating the same on the right side of the front sight yielded the same results ~5" right.
Our brains/eyes are wired to naturally center the front post, and we train that way. With that understood, having a center-to-center spread of 10" at 10yds. is ideal given a potential high stress, life defending situation.
My point is this... yes, I want to be as perfect as possible at the range by taking my time but real life won't be the same.
I'm happy with the sights given their intention. I did however make a slight modification with a snap punch, 1/16" bit and phosphorescent paint as I found trying to land the front sight between the rear posts in low light conditions to be difficult. It's much easier now, for me, to do so even if they're not glowing.
Be safe out there folks.
My opinion is S&W likely factored in the BG2 philosophy of use so I tested what I thought they were thinking and below is what I found out. Pocket-mouse-guns' uses are close up, get-off-me firearms intended for one second acquisition. I feel S&W was thinking about this when it comes to the larger "U" notch in the rear, I'll explain....
If found in an unfortunate situation of needing to utilize the BG2 for what it's built for, you may appreciate the rear "U" notch size. At first I recoiled at its canyon like size as well until I thought about it and did a little test.
Using a pistol rest 10yds. away from the target, I centered the front sight equidistant to both rear posts and basically shot out the 10x portion. Then pinning the left side of the front sight to the inside of the rear sight's left post... just enough to not allow light to be seen and fired 5rds. resulting in a nice group landing ~5" left of bullseye X. Repeating the same on the right side of the front sight yielded the same results ~5" right.
Our brains/eyes are wired to naturally center the front post, and we train that way. With that understood, having a center-to-center spread of 10" at 10yds. is ideal given a potential high stress, life defending situation.
My point is this... yes, I want to be as perfect as possible at the range by taking my time but real life won't be the same.
I'm happy with the sights given their intention. I did however make a slight modification with a snap punch, 1/16" bit and phosphorescent paint as I found trying to land the front sight between the rear posts in low light conditions to be difficult. It's much easier now, for me, to do so even if they're not glowing.
Be safe out there folks.
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XS makes a great set. They're a little pricey but they made a huge difference on my BG2. Luckily, I caught them on sale for about $40 less.
I comfortably carry the Bodyguard at night now because I can actually see the darn sights!
R3D 2.0 Night Sights - Smith and Wesson
Upgrade your Smith and Wesson with XS Sight's R3D 2.0 Night Sights. Available for various models including Equalizer, M&P, M&P 2.0, CSX, CSX E-Series , Bodyguard 2.0, and more!
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XS has a nice sight package for the BG 2.0.
