New here, need help with a S.A.C. 'ALPHA'

[SouthernGirl]

hello, I'm new here, in need of help please!
I will add some pics of this pistol, it's my late Grandpa's. I know nothing about it, other then what I can read on it and what little I have found online. It seems shooting it is questionable but I think my Grandpa has shot it...

The Barrel reads S.A.C. "ALFA" - EIBAR on top and 32 W.C.F. CTG

It also has a logo I tried to take a picture of on the side

Any info, advice, tips would be greatly appreciated. We would like to use the rifle if it is indeed safe to do so.

 

[SouthernGirl]

not sure what I have done wrong, I posted 5 pictures but none are showing?

 

[Rustyt1953]

Welcome from Cincy. I can't see the pics but I found this link to EIBAR .32 caliber pistols.Spanish Eibar/Ruby Pistols « Forgotten Weapons

 

[SouthernGirl]

Welcome from Cincy. I can't see the pics but I found this link to EIBAR .32 caliber pistols.Spanish Eibar/Ruby Pistols « Forgotten Weapons

That's not even close to the pistol I have, I'll give another try at the pics. Mine is nickel plated and a older style 6 cylinder revolver

 

[Rustyt1953]

Google: Eibar revolvers. Seems to be a Spanish revolver circa 1924, chambered in .32-20. Take it to a gunsmith before you fire it.

That's all I have. Good luck.

 

[SouthernGirl]

Google: Eibar revolvers. Seems to be a Spanish revolver circa 1924, chambered in .32-20. Take it to a gunsmith before you fire it.

That's all I have. Good luck.

Thanks for your help

 

[jimtr6]

Welcome to the forum from Tennessee. I am surprised that you didn't get a quick reply from someone with personal experience with that gun. The members here (except me ) are quite knowledgeable about all firearms, not just Smith & Wesson. Maybe when your pictures are posted, you'll get some answers or helpful links like Rusty's above.
Good luck.

 

[Absalom]

Just a general point: Eibar isn't a brand or type of gun, but a town in the Basque country of Northern Spain and for centuries the center of weapons manufacturing. They supposedly started out with swords and armor. In the late 19th and first half of the 20th century there were dozens of small family gunmaking businesses producing firearms there; the most famous are the French-Army contract .32 Auto Ruby pistols of WW I, but they also produced shotguns and revolvers, including pirated copies of Colts and Smiths, which mostly went to South America.

You may or may not be able to ascertain the name of the company in Eibar that made your gun. ALFA is probably a random name for the gun made up by the maker. S.A.C. may be the key; somewhere I have a list of Eibar armsmakers involved in the Ruby contracts; if I remember where and find anything, I'll post again.

As for shooting it, you're on your own. I've shot my Ruby and it hasn't blown up, but these were all mom-and-pop gunmaking operations, with parts usually not even interchangeable between guns from the same maker, as the French found out to their chagrin, so you're a test pilot if you shoot it. No proofing or quality standards.

 

[2152hq]

'ALFA, Eibar'
Was a line of revolvers made by
Armero Especialistas Reunidias (of Eibar,Spain)
I've probably got the spelling wrong somewhere in there, but that should be close enough to find some info on them.

(Several other Spanish manufacturers made very similar handguns with their names on them also including Hermanos which is often seen.)

S.A.C.,,,I forget the actual designation, I think it's something like 'Arms Mfg'r.,,probably alot more embellished than that. Might be all wrong on it though.

The logo probably AER intertwined.

There was also at the time a huge German Export company named ALFA (Adolf Frank).
They sold these and just about any other firearm made in the world at the time.
So the 'ALFA' is sometimes confused with the German Exporter/Retailer,,,but it's possible a Spanish ALFA mfg'rd revolver could have been sold by the unrelated German ALFA named retailer.

 

[Qball]

 

[Qball]

not sure what I have done wrong, I posted 5 pictures but none are showing?

There you go, i'll send you the bill later

 

[Absalom]

Yep, those pictures confirm it, as I explained above.

An unlicensed copy of a 1920s or so Smith & Wesson M&P by one of the small Eibar gun makers. Spanish patent laws were very lax. The Ruby was a rip-off of Browning's 1903 patent.

 

[SouthernGirl]

There you go, i'll send you the bill later

Thank You!!
let me know where to send the cookies, peanut butter, sugar or chocolate chip? lol

 

[SouthernGirl]

'ALFA, Eibar'
Was a line of revolvers made by
Armero Especialistas Reunidias (of Eibar,Spain)
I've probably got the spelling wrong somewhere in there, but that should be close enough to find some info on them.

(Several other Spanish manufacturers made very similar handguns with their names on them also including Hermanos which is often seen.)

S.A.C.,,,I forget the actual designation, I think it's something like 'Arms Mfg'r.,,probably alot more embellished than that. Might be all wrong on it though.

The logo probably AER intertwined.

There was also at the time a huge German Export company named ALFA (Adolf Frank).
They sold these and just about any other firearm made in the world at the time.
So the 'ALFA' is sometimes confused with the German Exporter/Retailer,,,but it's possible a Spanish ALFA mfg'rd revolver could have been sold by the unrelated German ALFA named retailer.

Thanks, It is a Spanish made one, it has made in Spain stamped on it

 

[SouthernGirl]

Yep, those pictures confirm it, as I explained above.

An unlicensed copy of a 1920s or so Smith & Wesson M&P by one of the small Eibar gun makers. Spanish patent laws were very lax. The Ruby was a rip-off of Browning's 1903 patent.

Thanks for all the info! I had read somewhere that it was a knock off of a S&W which is why I posted here, figuring this place would know about it's lesser imitations

However let it be known my first pistol (also my late Grandpa's) is a S&W K22, she looks a lot meaner then she is