New LAPD sidearm

I consider the LAPD an "influential"
department and other departments
may want to look into the LA choice.

I think agencies are looking around
for alternatives to the Glock and M&P,
logically or not.

Once upon a time Glock was the "only
game in town" but now its competition
is eroding its No. 1 position. Doesn't
mean Glock will be No. 2 but it will no
longer be almost totally dominant.

Hey, it's been a month or two or three
since the FBI has chosen a new sidearm.
Now just maybe? :)
 
I not to sure that they are really all that influential. I can remember when they were still carrying revolvers and everyone else had autos. Some of the LA law enforcement has ahead of other departments. When I was stationed in the LA area most departments were carrying M1911's and M92's, but one the LASO SEB was carrying HK P7's. Thought they were pretty different back then (late 1980's).
 
This could be the break that puts FN at the table with the big boys.

They always had good products, but never seemed to make the cut commercially, except of course the contracts they had with the military, but those weren't for handguns.


I agree, it will def help with sales big time.


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All I can say is , glad Im retired. There were enough headaches without dealing with RMRs that won't hold adjustment, or guys that will constantly be moving them, every time they shoot the gun and it seems to group a little from where they thought it should. LAPD changes this stuff sometimes to make up for no raise or terrible work conditions. Kinda like throwing the guys a bone, so they get a gun and sight system they think will make up for a bad trigger press. May make regular qualification easier for some . Might be ok for those going through the academy that will receive many hours of training with the RMR, night shooting, bright light etc, but unfortunately, if their even is a transition class for in service who buy their own it will probably be 1 day or maybe just 1 qualification. The gun is probably as good as a glock or MP, hopefully alot of improvement from FNs first plastic guns, all I know about, which were pretty bad. Times change , I remember when night sights came out, had to have them, old guys said you would get cancer...I put one on a carry gun, like all dot sights, great for old eyes. So good luck to them.
 
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Great, so what was their last issued sidearm and how soon can we expect them to hit the civilian market?

I doubt it will be anything as awesome as the California Highway Patrol's Smith & Wesson 4006TSW pistols, but just in case it is...
 
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I have a LEO friend, they hop from one side arm brand to another frequently. The most recent was from H & K to FN, the reason for switches is usually "it was a piece of ****".

When I joined the Coast Guard we had model 1911's. When I retired we had Beretta M9s, a bad guy held at gun point could strip off the slide/receiver in a millisecond and leave you with the frame.

Twenty years in the Coast Guard then thirty years as a state employee one thing always rings true. Product evaluation and selection recommendation done by the people actually using the product rarely results in that product getting the green light.
 
I have a LEO friend, they hop from one side arm brand to another frequently. The most recent was from H & K to FN, the reason for switches is usually "it was a piece of ****".

When I joined the Coast Guard we had model 1911's. When I retired we had Beretta M9s, a bad guy held at gun point could strip off the slide/receiver in a millisecond and leave you with the frame.

Twenty years in the Coast Guard then thirty years as a state employee one thing always rings true. Product evaluation and selection recommendation done by the people actually using the product rarely results in that product getting the green light.


Hey, I’ve seen that movie [emoji23][emoji23]


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I have a LEO friend, they hop from one side arm brand to another frequently. The most recent was from H & K to FN, the reason for switches is usually "it was a piece of ****".

When I joined the Coast Guard we had model 1911's. When I retired we had Beretta M9s, a bad guy held at gun point could strip off the slide/receiver in a millisecond and leave you with the frame.

Twenty years in the Coast Guard then thirty years as a state employee one thing always rings true. Product evaluation and selection recommendation done by the people actually using the product rarely results in that product getting the green light.


US Coast Guard,,, I imagine you know where Cape May is then [emoji41] Congratulations on the career I was in 70-74 and we had 1911’s and Garands. A lot of truth in what you say about product evaluation. The Army knew what they needed on the M-16 but McNamara’s bright boys overruled them on cleaning and chrome plating with disastrous results.


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When I joined the Coast Guard we had model 1911's. When I retired we had Beretta M9s, a bad guy held at gun point could strip off the slide/receiver in a millisecond and leave you with the frame.

But since you weren't and aren't a bad
guy, betcha you couldn't do it. Only
bad guys and ninja trained action movie
actors can do it.
 
When I joined the Coast Guard we had model 1911's. When I retired we had Beretta M9s, a bad guy held at gun point could strip off the slide/receiver in a millisecond and leave you with the frame.


I'd like to think that the bigger issue of letting someone get that close (aside from letting them get that close in the first place) is having them try to snatch the gun in general as opposed to specifically attempt to disassemble it...
 
FN attends LEO day on Monday of Shot Show at Las Vegas Metro's range. I shot the 509 2 different years. Trigger was OK hot what I was aiming at BUT I told them the stippling was to aggressive. Their remark was done that way for sweaty hands. Nice gun but not head and shoulders above any other polymer semi autos I have shot.
 
I'd like to think that the bigger issue of letting someone get that close (aside from letting them get that close in the first place) is having them try to snatch the gun in general as opposed to specifically attempt to disassemble it...

It's from lethal weapon 4. I don't think he's seriously listing it as a drawback
 
Nice to see Glock losing some foothold. But I’m not a big fan of optics on pistols for duty. Can’t imagine them holding zero or surviving a tumble with some drunk who doesn’t feel like going to jail.
 
But since you weren't and aren't a bad
guy, betcha you couldn't do it. Only
bad guys and ninja trained action movie
actors can do it.

I saw Jet Li do it in Lethal Weapon, so I know it's true! :)
 
When I joined the Coast Guard we had model 1911's. When I retired we had Beretta M9s, a bad guy held at gun point could strip off the slide/receiver in a millisecond and leave you with the frame.

Hey, I’ve seen that movie [emoji23][emoji23]

But since you weren't and aren't a bad
guy, betcha you couldn't do it. Only
bad guys and ninja trained action movie
actors can do it.

This could only be accomplished if you were silly enough to let a bad guy actually touch your gun.
 
This could only be accomplished if you were silly enough to let a bad guy actually touch your gun.

And started with the takedown lever down.
 

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Good quality RDS work reliably and stand up to bad weather, fights, and the like. On a closed forum with which I am familiar, there is a 10 year+/80 some odd page discussion of them, plus other strings. These are hard use military and LE folks as a rule, and their results are consistently good if using good gear.
 
This could only be accomplished if you were silly enough to let a bad guy actually touch your gun.


Yes it can. Just for fun I practiced that years ago and got fairly quick at it. No where near movie fast but quick.


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