New M&P Shield trigger pull question

[2tango2]

I have both a 40 and 9 Shield. I got the 40 first. Trigger pull was decent right out of the box. Nice crisp break to it. Def a better trigger than my FS 9. The trigger on the 9 Shield felt grittier and stronger than the 40. After a couple hundred rounds through it I can't tell the difference now

Fwiw I found the flip and recoil of the 40 to be a lot stouter than my 9 Shield. Makes sense given its size I guess


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[1fly2ty]

I get a kick out of responses that say fire 100,or 200 rounds and if it doesn't smooth out get the Apex kit! Are you kidding me 100-200 rounds or more, have you been to a sporting goods store lately? .9mm, .40, &.45 are almost non existent here, and the prices are unreal. If you reload like I do, if you weren't on top of stockpiling primers they are $60.00 a 1000 and basically they are not available either, powder is hit and miss and bullets are beig gobbled up as soon as they hit the shelf! 100 rounds of ammo is about $50-65.00 you do the math for 200 rounds, The apex kit is available for about 92.00, get the kit save the ammo and its a win,win situation, and when you do get to the range your ammo will be better utilized, by not having to deal with a 9# trigger pull! You can also look up Burwell trigger nad if you have a few tools and a bit of mechanical apptitude you can reduce your trigger to 5.5-6#. Good luck and don't waste good ammo.

 

[Cokeman]

I'm not paying that for ammo and my trigger is not 9#s.

 

[Dean1818]

Its easier to do the APEX, but it is still so very easy to do the DIY Burwell job to get exactly what you want.

If you go slow, and follow directions, you would have a hard time screwing it up

 

[2tango2]

50-65 bucks for ammo for 100 rounds? I guess I'm lucky, it isn't anywhere near that expensive at my LGS


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[Bret]

I shot another 100rds through it today. It's still 100% reliable, but the trigger is lacking. I'll measure it again to see where it's at. I'm debating whether to send it back or not.

Regarding your older post commenting in the recoil, what other .40 caliber pistols are your comparing it to?

I have a good number of 40S&W chambered pistols including a Glock 23, H&K USP40, Steyr M40, Kahr CM40, Browning HiPower, Walther PPQ, Para P1640, EAA Witness Compact. In general, the larger and heavier the pistols are, the less the recoil seems to be.

 

[SW CQB 45]

I got me a new Shield 9 and when I was shooting it yesterday, the trigger felt very stiff at the break compared to my used 9c. Probably got about 50 rounds through it.

Brought it home and put it on my Lyman scale and the trigger broke at just over 9 lbs. WOW!!!!!

A NY1 in a Glock feels better than that.

I took my slide apart as the striker block feels very crunchy or gritty.

I took the rear sight off and polished the block however the spring does not feel smooth when the spring is compressed into the block.

It appears to me that the spring hole on the striker block is too sloppy and I feel every coil rubbing as the block moves up.

I "cleaned up" the striker block spring hole hoping there was some slag or a burr but my needed.

I may also have a rough edge inside the slide striker block hole.

While I like the carry width in a IWB holster, this trigger press is not RIGHT for me.

ADDED:

I found a rough edge on the top edge of the striker block hole. I could run a edge along this rim and feel the roughness. I smoothed this edge, polished my striker block, put a little polish on the sear and my trigger now breaks at just under 8 lbs.

Still no where near what my 9c feels like.

 

[JMike]

I've been on a waiting list for a new 40S&W Shield for quite a while. It finally came in at a LGS, so I went by and picked it up for $425+tax. I have not had a chance to shoot it yet, but I've noticed that the trigger pull is significantly heavier than the sample gun the LGS had. I measured it using my Lyman trigger pull gauge and it averages about 9Lbs, 12oz. Yes, I did check the SKU number which is 180020, so it's not the MA compliant model. Do the Shield triggers start out heavy and lighten up or am I looking at having to have the trigger worked on?

It should be right around 6-6.5 lbs. It will lighten a little with use but there is something not correct with that particular pistol.

 

[SW CQB 45]

FOLLOW UP

I bought a brand new Shield 9 from Kittery TP.

My trigger broke out of the box at a horrible 9+ lbs.

It stacked at the end and there was enough OT for my front sight to move causing follow through issues.

I took it apart and found roughness in the striker block hole in the slide. I cleaned up the roughness and polished on the striker block and sear and got my trigger to break at the 8 lbs range but with still a stacking feel at the end with the heavy OT snap.

I opted for the Apex Shield Carry Kit through Brownells. Did not want to pay but did not like my trigger either.

Install was easy.....first trigger break average was approx 6.5 lbs with no stacking trigger and no heavy snap at the end. My front sight stays put.

After numerous dry snaps.....my trigger averages just an ounce over 6 lbs.

And I have a very positive trigger reset click compared to my factory trigger 9c which has a decent break and required the APEX RAM for a better reset feel.

While I did not like the added expense of the trigger kit.....I was one of the unlucky ones with a horrible out of the box trigger.

I ruined my rear sight cosmetics trying to get it out as SW must have put it in with a 10,000 lbs press.....so I have been EYE balling the 10-8 rear for the Shield. Find a matching old man front sight for the 10-8.....and I think I have a keeper!

If you got a SHIELD with a horrible trigger....spend the extra on a drop in APEX CARRY KIT!

 

[N4KVE]

They are building these things 24/7 to keep up with demand. What if they ran out of the correct trigger spring, and had to choose between stopping the line for a few days, or using a stiffer spring to keep the line running. I've seen this happen many times in the car business. GARY

 

[Cokeman]

I would call them and ask about having it fixed.

 

[Bret]

Mine went back to S&W a week ago. The guy I spoke to on the phone didn't even ask what needed to be repaired. He was obviously in a hurry. He just got my information and I received an emailed call tag the next day. I noted two issues in my letter. First, the trigger pull was 7 3/4 pounds +- 1/4 pound which is clearly above the specified trigger pull. I also told them that it was gritty and asked for them to fix this too. Second, the captured recoil spring assembly disassembled itself when I last took it apart for cleaning. I asked them to repair or replace it. I'll let you know how the trigger pull is when I receive it back.

 

[Der Biermeister]

Also, I want to add that my Shield's 9mm fired case is dated in March and the magazines do not have the dimple in them. I thought both the 40 S&W and 9MM magazines were getting the "dimple treatment" to prevent the mag drop issue. Perhaps S&W has changed the mag release so that the dimple is not needed?

Please explain. I have 3 mags for my Shield 40. Two of course came with the original purchase and the 3rd (extended) I bought afterward. All 3 have a rectangular indentation up top close to the exposed bullet. My mags for my M&P 9 FS do not have this indentation. Is this the "dimple" you refer to?

 

[Der Biermeister]

You guys are way more on top of this trigger pull issue, with more details than I ever thought I would want to know .

However, I've been unhappy with the "breakpoint" on both my M&P 9 FS and my 40 Shield. As my 40 is my carry gun, I had my gunsmith put in an Apex kit about 2 weeks ago. Haven't had a chance to test it yet at the range do to NO AMMO available. However, that recently got resolved as I now have 7 boxes.

Anyway - I can tell you this much, without knowing the actual trigger-pull pounds, the dryfire "feel" is absolutely great. I should have had my gunsmith measure the pull but I was too stupid to ask. (I'll get him to do that next time in the store.) But -- I assume it must be down around 5 lbs and the breakpoint is as smooth as I would ever want it to be. I can't wait to take it to the range as I am positive my accuracy will have increased ten fold. I plan on doing the same mod for my 9 FS.

 

[Bret]

I received my Shield back. They replaced the recoil spring assembly. I measured the trigger pull and it's now breaking between 6Lbs and 6 1/2Lbs. So, they did something to the trigger, but I'm not sure what. It's still a little gritty though. I'll shoot it again and let you know how it performs.

 

[RichardDBeck]

I've been on a waiting list for a new 40S&W Shield for quite a while. It finally came in at a LGS, so I went by and picked it up for $425+tax. I have not had a chance to shoot it yet, but I've noticed that the trigger pull is significantly heavier than the sample gun the LGS had. I measured it using my Lyman trigger pull gauge and it averages about 9Lbs, 12oz. Yes, I did check the SKU number which is 180020, so it's not the MA compliant model. Do the Shield triggers start out heavy and lighten up or am I looking at having to have the trigger worked on?

I had the same exact problem. There are a lot of reasons the trigger is that heavy. Non of them are because of springs in the gun. All the problems are due to crappy parts inside the gun. They need to be smoothed out by hand. If you smooth out all the parts you can get your trigger pull down to just under 4 pounds.

I did a trigger job to my shield and got it down to 3.5 pounds. I'm working on a video to show how it's done. I just haven't finished it up.

 

[RobsTV]

Your results with a S&W warranty trigger job on the 40 Shield were about the same as mine. I also had them repair a couple issues, (dropped mags and rear sight hanging off left side), but was not confident they could get the trigger any better. So while the Shield was away, I ordered the Apex kit. Yes, the Apex kit made a slight difference for the grit feel, but the biggest difference was the free warranty repair S&W did to bring the pull back within advertised specs. The Apex kit was really no longer needed after the Shield's trigger pull was fixed, as the slight gritty feel is something that would have cleared up after normal break-in.

I suggest that before people uselessly waste money on bullets or upgrades, have S&W make it right first, like the way it was supposed to be all along.

 

[Curt31]

I had the same exact problem. There are a lot of reasons the trigger is that heavy. Non of them are because of springs in the gun. All the problems are due to crappy parts inside the gun. They need to be smoothed out by hand. If you smooth out all the parts you can get your trigger pull down to just under 4 pounds.

I did a trigger job to my shield and got it down to 3.5 pounds. I'm working on a video to show how it's done. I just haven't finished it up.

Hi I'm the new kid on the block and just picked up my Shield 9 mm got it for 385.00 plus tax, I LOVE THIS GUN but just wish the trigger was a little lighter I previously had a Keltec PF9 but as you might know this gun has been plagued with problems and I guess I just don't have the trust in it any more. I still plan on keeping it but have to send it back because the magazine falls out now after firing the gun. I'm concerned about the trigger pull on my Shield I read about the Apex parts but they run almost 80 bucks on Cheaper Then Dirt so if I could do something less expensive without changing the parts I reather do that. Mine out the box is at 6.3 oz not bad but 4 would be GREAT could you please just give me an idea what you did to reduce the weight that much. Thanks this is my new CCW piece by the way. Thanks guys!!!

Tom j.

 

[SmurfHunter]

Hi I'm the new kid on the block and just picked up my Shield 9 mm got it for 385.00 plus tax, I LOVE THIS GUN but just wish the trigger was a little lighter I previously had a Keltec PF9 but as you might know this gun has been plagued with problems and I guess I just don't have the trust in it any more. I still plan on keeping it but have to send it back because the magazine falls out now after firing the gun. I'm concerned about the trigger pull on my Shield I read about the Apex parts but they run almost 80 bucks on Cheaper Then Dirt so if I could do something less expensive without changing the parts I reather do that. Mine out the box is at 6.3 oz not bad but 4 would be GREAT could you please just give me an idea what you did to reduce the weight that much. Thanks this is my new CCW piece by the way. Thanks guys!!!

Tom j.

If you get the apex sear alone and keep all the stock springs you should be around 4.5lbs. If you get a glock trigger spring you can drop that to around 3.5.

 

[preluda97]

I am in Massachusetts, I have a shield .40.

I want to change the trigger out to the Apex Kit.


Its so damn hard to pull that trigger with 10.5 lb force and keep it still.