New mod 3 serial #

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I'm trying to date a what appears to be a new mod 3.6 1/2 in barrel,blued,a .44 cal, walnut grips. Excellent condition.
Top rib is just marked smith & wesson,mass USA.
Cylinder is marked 16506,butt is marked 30791.
I read different cylinder # not uncommon. Are the values listed the smith book of 1700 fine,4000 exc reasonable? Thanks !
 
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I'm trying to date a what appears to be a new mod 3.6 1/2 in barrel,blued,a .44 cal, walnut grips. Excellent condition.
Top rib is just marked smith & wesson,mass USA.
Cylinder is marked 16506,butt is marked 30791.
I read different cylinder # not uncommon. Are the values listed the smith book of 1700 fine,4000 exc reasonable? Thanks !


The mismatched cylinder does affect value. One should also check
the barrel and latch to see if they have the correct serial numbers.
A mismatched cylinder will have less effect on NM#3's that were
shipped to Japan because Japanese armorers sometimes did swap
cylinders during a rebuild process and it is considered part of its
historical providence. The serial number on the butt is the revolver's
serial number. The cylinder, barrel and barrel latch should have
the same serial number but there are possible exceptions (like the
NM#3's that were shipped to Takata & Co. in Japan for the Japanese
Imperial Navy).

All NM#3 frames were manufactured before 1899 and are considered
antique but to know when it was shipped from the Factory takes
a Factory letter.

Value is always subjective. Right now, the antique gun market
is somewhat soft and most firearms are not pulling full value unless
they have some special features or historical significance. Having
said that, NM#3's have been less affected in general but the econ-
omy has an affect on the market and items that are judged as
luxuries suffer the most. Also, it is hard to give advise on value
when one hasn't seen the firearm in question. "Excellent" refers
to the original finish and not to a re-finished revolver. But in the
end, it is what it's worth to you. To get a "feel" for the market,
go to an auction site like GunBroker and look at completed auc-
tions (of ones that actually were sold) and see what they went for.
This will give you a more realistic idea of the current value.


Cheers!
Webb
 
I'm trying to date a what appears to be a new mod 3.6 1/2 in barrel,blued,a .44 cal, walnut grips. Excellent condition.
Top rib is just marked Smith & Wesson,Mass USA.
Cylinder is marked 16506,butt is marked 30791.

Hi Glockshot,

First of all I'd like to say...Webb's (wlw-19958) info is pretty much spot on concerning Your NM#3 Revolver!!

That aside...I believe I can help you dating it given by My Records...Your Revolver with the Butt Ser. No. of 30791 was part of a very large shipment of 1,955 NM#3's shipped to Takata & Co. of Yokohama,Japan on Oct.28,1896!!

As to Your Revolver's Cyl. with Ser. No.16506...As of yet I haven't been able to track down the shipment that Revolver was in, but should I be able to track it down I'll be sure to post it here on the Forum or send you a PM so you'll have it for your records!! Hope the info I provided is of interest!!
 
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Hi Glockshot,

First of all I'd like to say...Webb's (wlw-19958) info is pretty much spot on concerning Your NM#3 Revolver!!

That aside...I believe I can help you dating it given by My Records...Your Revolver with the Butt Ser. No. of 30791 was part of a very large shipment of 1,955 NM#3's shipped to Takata & Co. of Yokohama,Japan on Oct.28,1896!!

As to Your Revolver's Cyl. with Ser. No.16506...As of yet I haven't been able to track down the shipment that Revolver was in, but should I be able to track it down I'll be sure to post it here on the Forum or send you a PM so you'll have it for your records!! Hope the info I provided is of interest!!

Thank you for the info,The barrel and latch are not marked.What caliber would this batch have been ? Thanks again for the information. Glock
caliber would this batch have been ?
 
I did find the ser# on the top latch.It looks odd,is 30719 1. The first 1 looks like it was stamped/added between the 7 and 9 at an angle.The last 1 has a space between it and the 9.It looks forced. Glock
 
What caliber would this batch have been ?

I did find the ser# on the top latch.It looks odd,is 30719 1. The first 1 looks like it was stamped/added between the 7 and 9 at an angle.The last 1 has a space between it and the 9.It looks forced.

Glockshot,

To answer your first question...These NM#3's were chambered for the .44 Russian CTG or .44 S&W CTG as they were sometimes referred to in that era...Same Cartridge just a different name!!

As to your query about the Barrel Latch Ser. No...Being these Numerals were stamped by hand & trying to get a 5 Numeral Ser. No. stamped in the space they had to be stamped in...Sometimes anomalies like you noted did happen!!

Also thought this may help as to where to find the Barrel's Ser. No....I've posted a photo that will point you in the direction to make things easier for you!! Another thing to note referring back to your notation about the Barrel Latch Numbering...You'll note the Last Numeral in that Revolver's Barrel Ser. No. is nearly unrecognizable...But it is there!!
 

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I'm trying to date a what appears to be a new mod 3.6 1/2 in barrel,blued,a .44 cal, walnut grips. Excellent condition.
Top rib is just marked smith & wesson,mass USA.
Cylinder is marked 16506,butt is marked 30791.
I read different cylinder # not uncommon. Are the values listed the smith book of 1700 fine,4000 exc reasonable? Thanks ![/QUOT

The value range you reference is accurate IMO
Do yourself a favor and post some pics here before you pull the trigger
It's free
 
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The barrel probably shipped on June 27th or August 16th of 1887. On those 2 dates a very large shipment of 3064 revolvers were shipped with scattered serial numbers from 16,402 to about 25,000.

Does your revolver have any other marks on it? I have one that went to Japan, and then spent time in the China National Army, before it was shipped back to the USA. It has an interesting story
 
The barrel probably shipped on June 27th or August 18th of 1887. On those 2 dates a very large shipment of 3064 revolvers were shipped with scattered serial numbers from 16,402 to about 25,000.

Mark,

Not to complete disagree with what you noted above...But since Glockshot has already noted the Barrel Latch carries the same Ser. No. as the Frame...Until he finds the Barrel's Ser. No. I posted a photo of so he can find it being different...As of now I'll agree the Cyl. from His Revolver..Carrying the Ser. No. of 16506 "Is" likely from one of the Revolvers in the Two Very Large Shipments you noted!! No offense intended...Just wanted to clarify things a bit!!
 
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Thanks for the picture,I found it. The barrel numbered 30791,same as the latch. Upon further checking, better light and magnifying glass,the latch # is 30791as well.That mark between 7 and 9 is more of a tool mark.So this has 3 different ser #'s. Is this somewhat common ? Similar to going through a re-arsenal ?
 
Thanks for the picture,I found it. The barrel numbered 30791,same as the latch. Upon further checking, better light and magnifying glass,the latch # is 30791as well.That mark between 7 and 9 is more of a tool mark.So this has 3 different ser #'s. Is this somewhat common ? Similar to going through a re-arsenal ?

Glockshot,

No offense intended...I believe you've gotten your addition mixed up a bit in regards to the Ser. No. Count unless you haven't made mention of another as yet...Given from my count I'm only coming up with 2 Ser. No.s found on Your Revolver...Ha!!-Ha!!
 
Not so current NM #3 values-------------------------------

These from the liquidation of my collection of target guns during the last three years ending about a year ago. (Rather than trust my memory as to condition with any degree of accuracy, they were all quite nice---some nicer than others.

NM# 3 Target in 38-44 S&W shipped May 13, 1893---------------$2025
NM #3 Target in 32-44 S&W shipped May 28, 1894---------------$2235
NM #3 Target in 38-40 Winchester shipped October 25, 1902----$6500
NM #3 "target" in .44 Russian shipped October 18, 1896---------$6500

Ralph Tremaine

As an aside of perhaps some interest as re the .44 Russian, "Smith & Wesson only produced 3463 units of this model in 1896 of which just over 3000 units were supplied to the Japanese Government."---and it's pictured in N&J, first R&R Edition, on page 190.
 
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Glockshot,

No offense intended...I believe you've gotten your addition mixed up a bit in regards to the Ser. No. Count unless you haven't made mention of another as yet...Given from my count I'm only coming up with 2 Ser. No.s found on Your Revolver...Ha!!-Ha!!

Nonetaken.

Not sure how that happened ..The cylinder is the only mismatched #. I pulled the grips and they match. Thanks for keeping me on track.
 
Not so current NM #3 values-------------------------------

These from the liquidation of my collection of target guns during the last three years ending about a year ago. (Rather than trust my memory as to condition with any degree of accuracy, they were all quite nice---some nicer than others.

NM# 3 Target in 38-44 S&W shipped May 13, 1893---------------$2025
NM #3 Target in 32-44 S&W shipped May 28, 1894---------------$2235

NM #3 Target in 38-40 Winchester shipped October 25, 1902----$6500
NM #3 in .44 Russian shipped October 18, 1896------------------$6500

Ralph Tremaine

Thanks for the info,except for a small nick on edge of front blade,
The finish is spotless deep blue. The bore is shiny like new.Grips are excellent. I'm thinking maybe the $3500-4000 range.
 
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If you a mostly a Glock man, better post a pic
 
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