New Python vs. trend in Smith, Ruger

A few people have posted that they think the price is right, and that they are buying the 2020 Python as a shooter.

If there had never been a Python and this 2020 version were the first, the $1,499 price still be "right"? I would argue that Colt is getting away with this price because of the old Python's collectability. If a 98% old Python had a market value of $2,000, the new Python would be priced proportionally lower, more in line with what other quality .357 shooters are selling for.
 
DWalt said:
I wouldn't mind getting one of the new Pythons, but the price is beyond what I would pay for another bauble. Besides, I already own a 3-5-7 (6") and the old model .357 Trooper (4") so why would I need a Python?
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Well, obviously for the better cylinder timing! If that proves to be the case...

Also, the new action should be easier to repair, if ever needed. Smiths who'll work on older Colts are few.

I've owned two Pythons and a .357 Trooper on the old action and sold all and swore off Colts. The new Python could bring me back.
 
I want to handle one before I make a potential purchase decision but am glad it is a 6 shot because mid and large frame revolvers are traditionally 6 shot and small frame guns 5 or 6 shot. Thankfully, no IL. MSRP is not out of line when compared to MSRP on a regular or PC S&W. Hopefully the old Python delicate action has been improved as advertised. In defiance to some, $1500 is not too much for a carry gun and a shorter barrel model will have a large following.
 
My guess is since the 4.25" and 6" Python can be sold in the US and Canada it makes sense to offer these first,
When sales begin to decline it then would make sense to offer them in blue,
As sales of the blue versions decline adding a 3" in SS or blue would gain the attention of the people that bought 4.25", 6" in SS and blue and now want to complete the set.

The new Python would make sense to people who like shooting Pythons but dont want to devalue their high condition piece.
Also makes sense to gun investors looking say 15 years down the road as they will likely be out of production by then.

I do like the look of the Python but never liked the old Colt trigger compared to S&W's.
Another consideration is that IIRC the new 4.25' Python is almost exactly the same weight as my 5" full underlug Model 629-3 Classic.
 
Engine49guy said:
My guess is since the 4.25" and 6" Python can be sold in the US and Canada it makes sense to offer these first,
When sales begin to decline it then would make sense to offer them in blue,
As sales of the blue versions decline adding a 3" in SS or blue would gain the attention of the people that bought 4.25", 6" in SS and blue and now want to complete the set.

The new Python would make sense to people who like shooting Pythons but dont want to devalue their high condition piece.
Also makes sense to gun investors looking say 15 years down the road as they will likely be out of production by then.

I do like the look of the Python but never liked the old Colt trigger compared to S&W's.
Another consideration is that IIRC the new 4.25' Python is almost exactly the same weight as my 5" full underlug Model 629-3 Classic.
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I don't have a preference as to the trigger of old Colts vs old S&W's - I just find them to be different. But that's true even when comparing my old Smiths against one another. My newer ones don't stand up to the ones from the 1950's, but it could just be that the older triggers are more seasoned.

But your statement has me thinking I need to do more comparisons. I believe tomorrow will be my 1974 19-3 4" vs a 1954 Colt 3-5-7 4". Really looking forward to comparing my 686-6 to a 2020 Python, but prices need to drop a lot.
 
shocker said:
Anonymous source (tool and die maker from Colt) says a 3" Python will be released sometime in 2020. Maybe a blued version too.
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3" barrel!!?? That's a telegraph pole! I realize that, in the eyes of many, 3" bbls are the greatest thing since sliced bread (for every Jack, there's a Jill), but to me, they're neither fish nor fowl. Gotta be 2.5" as in the original Python. YMMV

Kaaskop49
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P.S. Odd that no one has mentioned that the trigger reach of the original Python frame is just a smidge too long to be comfortable, unlike the K, L, and even N-frames. Since the original grips seem to fit the new gun, from what I've read, I guess this has not been adjusted.
 
kaaskop49 said:
3" barrel!!?? That's a telegraph pole! I realize that, in the eyes of many, 3" bbls are the greatest thing since sliced bread (for every Jack, there's a Jill), but to me, they're neither fish nor fowl. Gotta be 2.5" as in the original Python. YMMV

Kaaskop49
Shield #5103
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Well its basically only a machinery adjustment perhaps they will make both a 2 1/2 and a 3''.

Of course you know a collector will have to have those two shorties in his collection. A sold gun is a sold gun!:D
 
IMO the New Python isn't a Python and never will be. Folks, it's a marketing gimmick and I find it surprising so many people who should know better are falling for it.

Back in the 90's Colt stated that a re-introduction of the Python was because the precision gunsmiths required to fit all the parts together did not exist anymore. A simple conclusion is that this New Python has been re-designed with a lockwork that is easy to manufacture and cheap to produce. I'll bet that if you check under the hood you'll find there are lots of MIM parts in that New Python. So what you get for your money is a 700 dollar revolver for a lot more money spent.

BTW, the following puff piece states pretty clearly is that the New Python uses a re-engineered action.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA5er19C7cA[/ame]

Me, I would take a 686 over the New Python every time. It's a revolver that is easy to tune, easy to repair, and when done right has a wonderful trigger.
 
scooter123 said:
IMO the New Python isn't a Python and never will be. Folks, it's a marketing gimmick and I find it surprising so many people who should know better are falling for it.

Back in the 90's Colt stated that a re-introduction of the Python was because the precision gunsmiths required to fit all the parts together did not exist anymore. A simple conclusion is that this New Python has been re-designed with a lockwork that is easy to manufacture and cheap to produce. I'll bet that if you check under the hood you'll find there are lots of MIM parts in that New Python. So what you get for your money is a 700 dollar revolver for a lot more money spent.

BTW, the following puff piece states pretty clearly is that the New Python uses a re-engineered action.

YouTube

Me, I would take a 686 over the New Python every time. It's a revolver that is easy to tune, easy to repair, and when done right has a wonderful trigger.
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Back in the 90's Colt was still making the Python...
Using your logic the current S&W's aren't real S&W's - No pinned barrels, no recessed cylinders, MIM parts, 2-piece barrels, ugly lock, etc. You can't argue one way and ignore the other.

The action changed to address design weaknesses and ease of manufacture. They went to MIM internals and updated the action to take advantage of the new process. S&W has done the same thing over the years but with smaller changes along the way.
 
reddog81 said:
Using your logic the current S&W's aren't real S&W's - No pinned barrels, no recessed cylinders, MIM parts, 2-piece barrels, ugly lock, etc. You can't argue one way and ignore the other.
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Certainly in the case of the newest shrouded barrel revolver, the Model 19 Classic, it is not a real S&W Model 19 revolver. It is a new design made to look and work somewhat like the original S&W Model 19 revolver. :o

I accept the fact that the 2020 Python is not an original Python either. It is also a copy. But at least it is a reasonably true copy, externally speaking. And since I blew my one and only opportunity to own an original Python, I'll be taking a close look at the 2020 Python if and when they come out in blue and get approved for sale in my loony moonbat state. :)
 
the new Python is a real Python like a Cobra kit car is a real A/C Cobra... it looks like it... may have a better motor and better brakes... but it is NOT a real Cobra and never can be... the new ones are a blast to drive (and probably shoot too) but it is just "pretend"... I may end up with one someday, but I know it is just a Starsky & Hutch make believe... lol
 
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