New rules on Ivory trading announced.

[Smitty357]

Well i guess the price of custom Tascarella pool cues are going to go up sooner or later. And to think the ole lady always says people are crazy for spending a fortune on exotic woods and ivory. The waiting list to have one of these made was 8 years. I'm wondering how many years thats about to jump. It looks like they wont be crossing New York state lines after all this is over.

 

[Old TexMex]

Thank heavens for the delete button.....

 

[oldnavynukespook]

Executive Order affecting the Sale of Ivory

The Colt Forum has just lit up on this issue. This affects us all. Anyone contemplating the sale of a weapon with ivory stocks should be aware of this, especially if it involves interstate commerce. I feel sorry for anyone in the business.

FACT SHEET: National Strategy for Combating Wildlife Trafficking & Commercial Ban on Trade in Elephant Ivory | The White House

 

[BobsSmith]

I have mixed feelings on this. I am aware that there is "old" ivory like you mentioned.

That said, I feel that protection of endangered wildlife trumps anything else.

I am a hunter, but hate the thought of wholesale slaughter of animals for profit.

Bob

 

[oldnavynukespook]

I didn't mention anything about "old ivory". I, too, am against killing endangered species but consider a few examples of what this Executive Order entails: You're in the business of making ivory grips using what was "pre-ban" ivory. If you sell across state lines, you're now breaking the law. If you want to sell a pistol or revolver via GunBroker, Guns America, etc. and it has ivory grips, you're breaking the law if it crosses state lines...regardless if you have a FFL or C&R license....Unless you can prove it's over 100 years old. Many more examples come to mind, but you get the message.

 

[KLYDE]

I'm against killing animals for profit also. But the country is spiraling down the toilet and this topic is on the front burner. Lord help us all.

 

[sqhead]

I just bought a set for my j-frame from a forum member, so my options are keep them or else ? I agree something should be done about the killing just for the tusks.Every new law always effects someone for good or bad........it's the world we now live in.

 

[oldnavynukespook]

As the old saying goes, "It all depends on whose ox is getting gored". Just think if you were to purchase those grips next week and some snoopy postal inspector "sniffed" ivory...You and the guy who sold them to you would be sucking wind!

 

[BobsSmith]

Simple don't order it! If I am not mistaken, there is simulated ivory.

If it helps protect endangered species then I am all for it. With poaching and destruction of habitat and growing human population, they need all the help they can get.

Frankly I do not see how this endangers our right to bear arms.

 

[m l mosley]

I have wondered for several years why don't the African countries that you always see on the nightly news setting up bonfires of confiscated Ivory just start an international market to sell it instead. That way their would be more ivory out there, driving prices down and use the proceeds to protect the animals that are still alive and still have their ivory intact. Burning the ivory does nothing but keep the price at a high level where it makes going out to get more to try to sell on the black too tempting.

 

[-db-]

I have wondered for several years why don't the African countries that you always see on the nightly news setting up bonfires of confiscated Ivory just start an international market to sell it instead. That way their would be more ivory out there, driving prices down and use the proceeds to protect the animals that are still alive and still have their ivory intact. Burning the ivory does nothing but keep the price at a high level where it makes going out to get more to try to sell on the black too tempting.

It's the same as when you see them making a big show of burning confiscated drugs or melting/destroying guns here in the US. These are "feel good" performances for the short-sighted and instantly gratified but they accomplish nothing regarding (and in most cases, as you've explained, actually contribute to) the supposed problem.

 

[5BeansintheWheel]

Simple don't order it! If I am not mistaken, there is simulated ivory.

If it helps protect endangered species then I am all for it. With poaching and destruction of habitat and growing human population, they need all the help they can get.

Frankly I do not see how this endangers our right to bear arms.

You really think this law will save one elephant? Liking passing another gun control law will stop crime. How about anti drug laws? They are working real good also, are they not?

This will affect gun owners on this forum who own ivory stocked S&W's and other handguns, either factory stocked or after market.

I wonder how many elephants have been culled in the past by the various governments? Is that still happening?


Patrick

 

[BobsSmith]

Yep! Has to start somewhere. If we continued to slaughter the buffalo 150 yrs ago... most likely would not be here.

Killing a elephant so someone can have ivory grips is sick.

Sure as can be...someday they will be gone sad to say.

 

[R.A. Rifleman]

I had thought this was already on the forum but apparently not. Where ever I did read it, the posters of that thread pointed out two things that struck me as significant.

1. The majority of (poached?) ivory is going to China, thus this law is a waste.

2. And far more important, is that, as the law is written, the authorities can confiscate suspect ivory and require the owner to prove that it is legal, effectively shifting the burden of proof onto the accused. Think about the implications of that one for awhile. Suppose they applied that logic to firearms? Can you imagine a police officer able to confiscate any gun you own and then require you to prove that it was legally obtained? Can you do that for every gun you own? Even with this law, would they let remove ivory grips from a gun or would the demand you forfeit the whole thing? Scary thoughts, aren't they?

 

[BobsSmith]

Oh well if the laws don't work, kill them all we can have lots of ivory, at least until the last one is gone.

 

[handejector]

The biggest threat to the elephant is not poaching. The biggest threat is loss of habitat.
Elephants are large. Females and juveniles live in large groups. They roam widely and cover lots of territory. Along the way, they don't mind stripping crop fields, gardens, and orchards. Subsistence farmers get very angry when they get up one morning and find jumbo eating his family's food for the coming year. Left with no food and no source of income, many farmers poach a little to get paid back for what the elephants took by the elephant.

Even with AIDS, Africa's population keeps growing, so habitat keeps shrinking.

The harsh reality is that we will be fortunate if elephants survive outside of zoos. Keeping them in the wild will be tough. Huge game preserves simply can't be fenced in such a way to keep them in, and wandering out and eating people's food will get them killed.
Would you watch YOUR children starve to save the elephant?

 

[semperfi71]

What will be the law's effect on faux ivory made with ivory dust?

 

[b_san]

We recently inherited a very old high quality piano from a relative, we're now patiently waiting for the day the Ivory Police come try to confiscate it.