New scenarios for those that carry and using a weapon isn't always the answer..

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Most of us did not miss his point; I'd love to have 21' of warning before a knife attack; more then likely someone will walk up, all innocent like, and pull a knife at close range.

Surviving a knife attack or creating space and distance while being attacked requires training and mindset developed over time...
 
To me, the OP smacks of term paper or thesis research.

Sidestepping the age question is more indicative of a student than a news reporter/columnist/blogger (I've retired the term 'journalist' in my personal usage).

It's the sort of thing a gun control advocate would toss out as bait to collect additional material. The underlying implication seems to be that 'you're delusional if you think CCW is going to protect your life'.


Scan 'The Armed Citizen' in the American Rifleman magazine for alternative points of view.

Just call me a cynic, I guess.
 
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If, If, If,............Just be alert and aware of your surroundings

Clearly points can go to the OP in the 21 feet area. I don't see many people missing the point. What I see is a "fear" of not having thought out EVERY POSSIBLE SCENARIO. It can't be done so you must train for what you think may be the most likely position you may be in. My idea is to stay out of "bad" areas and be very alert when I'm in a "bad" area. If grandma had testicles she'd have been grandpa. If, If, If.....If is worth nothing. You can carry a .577 T-Rex for a Kodiak brown bear, but if you aren't alert and aware that he is around or behind you, you are likely to be digested. I'm sorry for the poor woman and her baby in any case.
 
Yeah, actually by not putting ones self in a bad area will give you more chances of living. Whenever I carry I always find myself avoiding certain areas, stores and am more polite, errrr i guess professional which is extended from when I wore a uniform.

The knife issue well, I guess if they are going to get ya they are gonna do it if they are determined and have planned it. It's up to you to fight like hell to stay alive using any means possible. I have seen some bad stabbings in my life and they ain't very pretty. Most were in the wrong place or caught it unexpectantly with another helping the attacker. On the streets it is more likely a one on one like a robbery or carjacking or rape. Run for distance remove your firearm and blast some holes in him.
 
Yes and no. Every scenario where the attacker is closer than 21 feet with a knife outstretch and is charging to attack would be same. At 10 feet before you can get the gun out of the hostler you probably would be dead or have a knife plunged into your chest. The pregnant woman with a knife was a true story and she and her baby died for hitting the panic alarm. The car thief plunged a knife into her stomach area to kill her and the baby.

No disrespect meant here toward anyone. I feel you have been in a bunch of self defense classes listening to people that have never been in such situations telling others how to react. Many of those teaching firearm courses have never worked law enforcement or served in the military. They do not know fiction from reality. Whaat they know best is how to entertain you so you will spend your money listening to their feeble attempt at humor while showing you the basics of shooting.

Those here in law enforcement have questions and scenes posed during training but they are fairly basic situations that officers run into.

Yet as was said, no two situations are identical. In you first hypothetical situation, if you have allowed someone carrying a knife to get that close to you, you are not being observant of your surroundings.

Another thing you are missing is it is always best to take cover when possible before making rush decisions. The decisions we make can cost people their lives or get us killed. Certainly there are times that immediate reaction is required and those decisions often may not have been the best ones.

My question to you: Just how often have you been faced with any of the situations you laid out? Do you know of anyone personally that you can confrim they had such a situation?

Many of us here have had to answer the three man attack situation in class. One man has a knife, one has a shotgun and one has a handgun. Each is at a different distance and position to you. Which do you take out first? However, I have never met anyone that met with this situation in real life. We would more likely be involved in a major motor vehicle accident.

I work in areas most would not go in and do so alone. Today I will be in a drug and crime infested public housing project all by myself talking to a person of interest. This is a fairly routine assignment and in years of doing so, I have had confrontations three times out of hundreds of trips. I put myself in those areas and do not have problems so why would I feel that someone will pick me out of hundreds of people around to attack me with knife. Again, instructors make these situations up to cause you to think they are smart and have been in such situations.
 
Avoid the three stupids:

Don't go to stupid places and do stupid things with stupid people.

Unless job related, I don't go places where I wouldn't go if I was unarmed. Period. Having a gun doesn't suddenly make a place less crime riddled or drug infested, it just means you are *slightly* more prepared to deal with a bad situation.

I go, sometimes alone, into trailer parks, housing projects of the low income welfare receipient variety, crappy rundown apartment buildings, drug infested encampments out in the woods because my job requires it, not because a gun, badge, or a belt full of other useful tools makes it safer.

Sure, my job has made me choose my every day carry items and my habits differently than maybe a regular joe would, but I've seen bad things happen to good people in good "safe" places enough to know that often the "safe" places can be as dangerous if not more so than the "dangerous" ones because people drop their guard when they are in a place that *feels* like a "safe" one.

I've been attacked from behind as I got out of my truck, hit in the side of the head knocked unconscious with a tube sock full of D-cell batteries(I know that because the sock fell apart and they left a trail of batteries Hansel and Gretel style all the way up to the disgarded tube sock),because I let my guard down in a "safe" area even though I knew better. Why was I hit from behind? Likely they were hiding in the dark attempting to break into another vehicle, when I pulled into the parking space and disrupted their plans, they saw mowing me over as their only means of escape.

I let my guard down, was unprepared, and learned my lesson. Never assume some place is safe just because it always has been in the past. Just be alert, and don't learn the hard way like I did.
 
I think another thing that is often overlooked is the diverse life experiences from people on this board. Many of us, as the old(er) timers would say, "have been to the mountain". Life and death struggles are not mysteries.

Once upon a time, I considered myself quite good with a knife. I have never seen, or heard off, an instant "kill" with a knife. A knife kills by blood loss, which can take minutes, depending on holes inflicted.

I do NOT want to be cut. But IF an attacker gets close enough to cut me, he WILL be dead before me, therefore no longer a threat to my wife, daughter or grand monsters.

Besides, when I have fantasys, they are not about unlikely armed assaults in fanciful situations.
 
It just makes me want to laugh just criticism after criticism and no attempt to answer any of the questions. It is like an attorney that is losing a case. He has confuse the issue and make opposing counsel look like an idiot because he really doesn't have any defense otherwise. The problem I see here is the dependence and the crutch of having a gun for self defense. You know if you are jumped and mugged you might not be able to get a gun out.

By the way a Navy Seal can kill you will one cut with a knife. Puncturing the heart and a major vessel or the femoral artery could kill you. You may not die right away but without medical care you will be dead in short order. It isn't worth my time to debate this issue with the people that are against it. Believe what you want to believe but I will know that not one of my attackers ever tried to answer the questions. The things that make you go hmm.
 
So you see that my "reluctance" to answer your fanciful questions a failure to adequately be prepared to defend myself?
 
Re: going in to potentially dangerous neighborhoods/areas- I do the same thing, dealing with home foreclosures, property inspections, and one tip I could offer- sorry if it's well known to all already but- I drive down the street the house is on, look around- drive back, taking note of anyone out and about, and whether anyone is paying attention to me. Sorry to broach the subject but- I'm white, some areas are about 99.9% black. I'm certainly not saying these areas are any more dangerous than others, but it's true that a white person in those areas does attract attention- on occasion- so guess it boils down to taking that extra precaution, seeing the area before I get out of the car. I have had a group of men who were sitting on a big porch see me, turned out to be a dead-end street, and while I was turning around about 5 of them started towards my car. I simply left. Called the local police and they escorted me into the house. If they hadn't, well, some jobs just aren't worth completing.
 
It just makes me want to laugh just criticism after criticism and no attempt to answer any of the questions. It is like an attorney that is losing a case. He has confuse the issue and make opposing counsel look like an idiot because he really doesn't have any defense otherwise. The problem I see here is the dependence and the crutch of having a gun for self defense. You know if you are jumped and mugged you might not be able to get a gun out.

You've received many answers; just not what you want someone to parrot.

A 12 year old, in the back seat of a car, trying to make his "bones" with a gang, can kill you with an AK, during a drive-by, and you won't even know what hit you...

I suspect there are a lot more then a Navy Seal that can kill you with one stroke or stab of a knife.....
 
no only a couple people tried to answer the question. I have posted my experience before.
 
Belittling propaganda designed to avoid answering a question that I have a sense you don't know the answer to.
 
You sound like you have some good real experience. My thoughts are if you know a few know facts they will help you to make decisions in this scenarios. One was a true case.
 
By your own argument you have agreed with me so why the attack on using my scenarios.
 
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