New Sig 365-Older Shield 9mm compare

[donhov]

Had to have one, the new Sig 365. Took it and my Shield to the range last night. A few problems with the Sig. Severe primer drag, actually was hitting the shell case. Front sight almost invisible, not much "glow" to it. The Shield is defiantly softer shooting than the Sig and in my opinion quicker to get back on target. The 10 rounds is a nice advantage and slightly smaller but the Shield is still a more comfortable weapon to shoot. Have not carried the Sig yet but do know the Shield is very comfortable to do so with so will see with the Sig Over all have to say the Shield is still the better bargain price wise and by adding the Mag-guts almost comparable to the Sig other that it's slightly larger. I almost think the larger is a good thing, more to hold on to.

Forgot to add I have changed the Shield sights to the TFX sights and that made a significant difference to the Shield/ with the Shield.

 

[Electraclyde]

Had an early 9mm shield. Really did not like the grip or the sights. I sold it to a good friend who still has it today. I bought the new p365 about a month ago. Grip fits me much better and the sights are excellent. Have fired both guns back to back while at the range with my friend, for me the p365 is the better choice. There is some "primer drag" but I have also seen this on other short barrel guns. Not a big deal IMO.

 

[ladder13]

I'm a S&W fan, big time, but I don't see how anyone can top the optional 12+1 in this size gun. Nothing Smith makes, or made, tops this gun, imo. Size and capacity wise.
No primer drag, night sights are awesome. Drops right in my pocket.
Most everyone I know gets one after shooting it.

 

[GTBL]

I am very intrigued by the 365. I hear they are coming out with one with a safety. Once they do, I will probably be on board. Until then, Shield .45 and SIG 938 are my choices for carrying semi-autos.

 

[FloridaS&W]

Had to have one, the new Sig 365. Took it and my Shield to the range last night. A few problems with the Sig. Severe primer drag, actually was hitting the shell case. Front sight almost invisible, not much "glow" to it. The Shield is defiantly softer shooting than the Sig and in my opinion quicker to get back on target. The 10 rounds is a nice advantage and slightly smaller but the Shield is still a more comfortable weapon to shoot. Have not carried the Sig yet but do know the Shield is very comfortable to do so with so will see with the Sig Over all have to say the Shield is still the better bargain price wise and by adding the Mag-guts almost comparable to the Sig other that it's slightly larger. I almost think the larger is a good thing, more to hold on to.

Good review. Gotta love it when Smith's older generation model is outperforming Sig's latest flagship, LOL

 

[S&WOkie]

I definitely prefer the Shield. The 365 just doesn't fit my hands well.

I shot the P365 and a G43 the same day and neither of them worked very well for my large hands.

I used to carry a Shield 9 and right now I EDC a J frame but I will be adding a Shield again as soon as I find a steal on one.

 

[Telecaster]

I'll confess ignorance - what is "primer drag"?

 

[LAA]

After picking up a Shield 45 somewhere around 2 1/2 years ago, I let my 9mm Shield sit in the safe. The 45 is a bit larger, but I could consistently hit the farther targets better with it. These day's I wanted a smaller framed gun to carry. I first heard about the 365 here (hadn't been on a Sig forum), and took a chance on one. First day at the range, it was hitting the 25 yrd indoor range target just like my 45. For me, the feel of it works well. Unlike the feel of my wife's Glock 43, which I could never get use to. I'm somewhere around 1500 rounds now, with the 365, and it hasn't missed a beat. It is an Oct. 1 build. I do own quite a variety of semi-auto's and revolvers. For now, the 365 and Shield 45 will be the two I take with me.

 

[donhov]

I'm not knocking the 365, just that I'm overall disappointed with it. For the first outing with it to me the Shield 9mm felt better and worked better. I actually hit the target better with the shield but the sight problem contributed to the problem I'm sure.No misfires or FTE with the Sig, just overall problems with the sights and the primer drag bothered me. Thought it might go away but after 175 rounds think it actually got worse. Sending it back hopefully Monday and after repair will reevaluate it and decide what I'm going to do.

Primer drag is when the firing pin or striker leaves a drag mark on the fired primer. Instead of a clean pin point mark it pulls from the striker to the edge of the primer pocket or in severe cases actually leaves a mark on the casing. I think it is a timing issue but not being an expert just guessing.

 

[wnderr]

I'll confess ignorance - what is "primer drag"?

It is when the firing pin drags across the primer, as it gets ejected. Sometimes very drastic, if it gets all the way to the case. It hits, and plows a furrow, until the shell gets ejected.

 

[DonD]

I'll confess ignorance - what is "primer drag"?

Primer drag or "smear" are primer indentations that instead of being circular are highly elongated very different from most semi autos. Glocks and I'd guess some other striker fired semis do this but it would appear not to the extent that first Gen P365s did/do.

I am no expert on the 365, supposedly that issue has been improved.

Personally since I'm responding to this post, I have handled a 365 but not shot one. Didn't see significant improvements over my Ruger SR9Cs, just a personal opinion as are most gun forum comments. Don

Edited to add: wnderr posted as I was typing this. Don

 

[LAA]

I just checked my last batch of fired 365 casings. Primer drag on all, as I expected, but none extend past the primer.

 

[Flyingfool]

Has anyone provides real tangible evidence that primer drag is ANY problem what so ever?

The only thought I had was the sideload on the pin could cause premature failure or cracking of rhe tip of the firing pin.

But has anyone ever experienced a failure due to primer drag?

If not, then I don't see why we keep hearing about how horrible and unacceptable this NON problem is.

 

[LAA]

If not, then I don't see why we keep hearing about how horrible and unacceptable this NON problem is.

I had read plenty about the primer drag, before purchasing the 365. I too, consider it a non problem.

 

[Chazman1946]

Had to have one, the new Sig 365. Took it and my Shield to the range last night. A few problems with the Sig. Severe primer drag, actually was hitting the shell case. Front sight almost invisible, not much "glow" to it. The Shield is defiantly softer shooting than the Sig and in my opinion quicker to get back on target. The 10 rounds is a nice advantage and slightly smaller but the Shield is still a more comfortable weapon to shoot. Have not carried the Sig yet but do know the Shield is very comfortable to do so with so will see with the Sig Over all have to say the Shield is still the better bargain price wise and by adding the Mag-guts almost comparable to the Sig other that it's slightly larger. I almost think the larger is a good thing, more to hold on to.

Forgot to add I have changed the Shield sights to the TFX sights and that made a significant difference to the Shield/ with the Shield.

Threw some Magguts extensions on my Shield 2.0 and the flush fit magazine now holds 9, one less then the P365 (which I used to own) I had the same exact problem with the extremely severe striker drag and the fact the weapon never felt right in my hand, while the Shield does.

 

[Chazman1946]

I'll confess ignorance - what is "primer drag"?

Primer drag is when the striker doesn't retract fast enough on the ejection of the spent case and drags along the primer.

Here is a photo showing the striker drag on a case from my P365 (on the left) and the lack of striker drag on my Glock 42 .380 (on the right).

Many will say that all small compact pistols have striker drag, my Glock 42, 43, Shield, Ruger LC9s show very little or no striker drag at all, thereby dispelling that myth.

 

[Chazman1946]

Has anyone provides real tangible evidence that primer drag is ANY problem what so ever?

The only thought I had was the sideload on the pin could cause premature failure or cracking of rhe tip of the firing pin.

But has anyone ever experienced a failure due to primer drag?

If not, then I don't see why we keep hearing about how horrible and unacceptable this NON problem is.

I think the first batch of P365s that had broken strikers could be directly attributed to the striker drag, that and MIM strikers which weren't strong enough to take the drag.

 

[roughneck6]

I finally picked up a P365, born date October 2018. I had held off due to everything I was hearing and reading. I own six M&Ps, to include a Shield 9mm 1.0. I love my Shield and it has served me well. Up front I feel recoil is subjective. When I fired both Shield and P365, the Sig is a softer shooter to me, and it does feel better in my hand. I have 300 flawless rounds in my P365 and now it's in my carry rotation. I took couple pictures showing size comparison. I now have a 12 round magazine in my P365, so having 13 rounds in a gun so small, accurate and comfortable to carry for me is a no brainer. They are both great guns, I carry both with confidence.

 

[Amp]

I have both the Shield and p365. They both shot really well. I do however like the trigger and sights better on the Sig.
While they both carry well, I still have more confidence in my old 3913. Wish they metal guns would come back to Smith again.

 

[mikesal34744]

Question for others about 365. I have about 2000 round through mine and now don't have any striker drag. I used to, but not anymore. Anyone else share this experience?


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[comiskeybum]

800 rounds in my P365 and only 5 FTE's in total. Those FTE only occur when the gun is hot and dirty well into a range visit (say 300 rounds or more into a session.)

I have minimal drag and it does depend a little bit on ammo choice. 124 grain does better.

I carry mine daily to work in my pocket. It really is the perfect 365 day EDC.

The shield is a great choice, capacity simply isnt there though and it isnt pocket friendly like the Sig is.

 

[LAA]

Took the 365 & my Shield 45 ACP to the range today. Since I'm now between 1500 and 2000 rounds on the 365 (no longer counting), I just checked the casings for striker drag. They're still there, but as usual, the gun performed flawlessly.

But I just saw something of interest. My recovered casings for the 45 Shield, have almost the identical drag marks, as the 365 does. This is something I've never thought about before, and hadn't paid attention to the 45s. In the last three years, the Shield has shot many factory and reloaded rounds. Never a hiccup. I didn't recover a lot of the 45's, because they ended up on the indoor range side of the bench, table (what ever the proper term is). However, all had the mark. Just quickly looking at the fire pin, it appears round.

 

[AKAOV1MAN]

I have a couple of 9mm Shields, one with the integral laser. Also have a recent 365. I can see how the ergonomics can feel different, and in that regard, different can be felt as "bad". Both weapons are excellent shooters and both have good points. I still pack the Shield, but find myself really attracted to the 365. When one considers each weapon, and its relative capacity, the concept of the 365 with a 12 round mag, plus one on the belt is a very attractive 25 rounds with very little weight and even less bulk.
With the 12 round magazine, the 365 approaches the capability of a regular duty sidearm(remember when the S&W 39 plus one extra 8 round mag was considered a near revolutionary change to the Illinois State Police?). Think about it, a 13 round 9mm, plus 2 mags taking up little space on a crowed duty belt. Sure beats the 6 shot revolver and 6 extra rounds in a dump pouch(the operative word is "dump") that I started my career with. And the revolver and its 6 extra rounds were more bulk and substantially heavier than the 365 and 2 extra mags. Further a person would have to have a really big mitt not to be able to grab a 365 with a 12 round mag.
BTW, I still like my Shields, although I am doubtful about the real utility of the laser mounted on one of them. One of the real dangers of the laser is unintended eye damage to a person the weapon is directed at, but not shot for what ever reason-just a thought.

 

[Super Trucker]

{snip} although I am doubtful about the real utility of the laser mounted on one of them. One of the real dangers of the laser is unintended eye damage to a person the weapon is directed at, but not shot for what ever reason-just a thought.{snip}

One useful thing a laser can be good for is dry fire trigger control. Put the dot on say a door knob and pull the trigger, if the dot moves off the knob you missed what you were shooting at.

As for damage to somebodies eyes, I haven't read/heard of that being an issue and have owned guns with lasers for over a decade now.

Something scary is finding some out places have laws banning lasers on guns and they will confiscate your gun if you have one. I just read the other day about that being an issue in a few communist locations.

 

[gwmac]

4 months ago I owned a 365 and put about 500 rounds down the pipe. I was so unhappy with the grip feel and fit I sold it. And bought a Shield
M.2 9mm which fits me better.

 

[WPWarhawk]

Took the 365 & my Shield 45 ACP to the range today. Since I'm now between 1500 and 2000 rounds on the 365 (no longer counting), I just checked the casings for striker drag. They're still there, but as usual, the gun performed flawlessly.

But I just saw something of interest. My recovered casings for the 45 Shield, have almost the identical drag marks, as the 365 does. This is something I've never thought about before, and hadn't paid attention to the 45s. In the last three years, the Shield has shot many factory and reloaded rounds. Never a hiccup. I didn't recover a lot of the 45's, because they ended up on the indoor range side of the bench, table (what ever the proper term is). However, all had the mark. Just quickly looking at the fire pin, it appears round.

I don't have any SIGs, and probably won't. My 45 Shield is a near perfect CCW gun for me, shoots shoot and amazingly well for such a small gun.

 

[wormraper]

I don't have any SIGs, and probably won't. My 45 Shield is a near perfect CCW gun for me, shoots shoot and amazingly well for such a small gun.

I don't blame you. Sig has gone into the crapper since 2007 or so when the QC manager moved over from Mimber (kimber). Their QC has gone into the ****ter lately and I won't buy anything from them anymore. I now have 3 shields (my latest was one with night sights and 4 mags from Gunprime for $299) and except for a desire to grab the LC9s pro or the PPS M2, I think my single stack days are limited to the shield

 

[joe44va]

Showing again that the fit of the gun to the individual is very important and very personal. It has nothing to do with the quality of the gun. I never had a Shield because I didn't see any advantage over the Kahr P9 I carried. But I now like the P365 better than the Kahr because it "fits" better and comes on line faster. To each their own. Is this a great country or what. So many choices.