New York has frozen over-New York's May Issue for Good Cause violates 2A

[JDBoardman]

Caj and ICS Yoda in particular:
SCOTUS has spoken, and for better or worse, the decision has been made and the opinion handed down. Do we now consider this as big a win for the 2nd as Heller or McDonald and await sweeping changes, or is it just a hohum local issue, and the"carbuncle on the Constitution" still needs to be lanced. Inquiring minds want to know...

 

[Borderboss]

Here's the long view - the 2021 homicide rate DID rise to 5.5 per 100,000.

You guys are arguing a nit. Of course the Democrats will try to blame legal carry. That's because they lie to try to get their way.

 

[sipowicz]

6 of those justices must have ridden the #6 subway line sometime this past year.

 

[Borderboss]

Caj and ICS Yoda in particular:
SCOTUS has spoken, and for better or worse, the decision has been made and the opinion handed down. Do we now consider this as big a win for the 2nd as Heller or McDonald and await sweeping changes, or is it just a hohum local issue, and the"carbuncle on the Constitution" still needs to be lanced. Inquiring minds want to know...

It's easily as big as Heller and McDonald. Or you can see it as an extension of both of them. Either way, this is a huge win for liberty.

Thomas's opinion is what lays the groundwork for what all future federal courts must consider. The Second Amendment isn't like the arguments over the constitutionality of something like abortion. The 2A is actually in the Constitution.

You can see in the dissenting opinion that the only statement they could make is that the majority should have considered what kind of violence might occur in big cities. That my friends would be call legislating from the bench. Perhaps those three should quit SCOTUS and run for Congress.

 

[ladder13]

Justice Thomas wrote a brilliant majority opinion.

 

[ladder13]

6 of those justices must have ridden the #6 subway line sometime this past year.

I rode that train for most of my life.

 

[sigp220.45]

Just face it, Eeyores. This is good news.

 

[sipowicz]

I rode that train for most of my life.

Me too. From Pelham Bay. I lived on City Island

 

[ladder13]

Me too. From Pelham Bay. I lived on City Island

As a youth, St Lawrence or Parkchester. As an adult Westchester Square, or Buhre Ave.

 

[biku324]

Just face it, Eeyores. This is good news.

Indeed. And I am a lifelong Eeyore.

 

[fordson]

As a youth, St Lawrence or Parkchester. As an adult Westchester Square, or Buhre Ave.

During HS, from Smith and Carrol to Queens Plaza. Took the "GG", and changed to the "F" at Fulton St. Five days a week, and every other Saturday. That was a long, long time ago in a galaxy far away……….


But this is still good news.

 

[bushmaster1313]

Caj and ICS Yoda in particular:
SCOTUS has spoken, and for better or worse, the decision has been made and the opinion handed down. Do we now consider this as big a win for the 2nd as Heller or McDonald and await sweeping changes, or is it just a hohum local issue, and the"carbuncle on the Constitution" still needs to be lanced. Inquiring minds want to know...

According to the Anti's this is a BIG decision with a capital B, I, and G

In the words of Yule Brenner playing Pharaoh:

So it shall be written. So it shall be done.

 

[NY-1]

6 of those justices must have ridden the #6 subway line sometime this past year.

Hopefully in the company of Charles Bronson with how the subways have been lately.

 

[UncleEd]

I believe the ruling allows local or
state governments to designate
areas that will be off limits to carry.

The proposed bills will probably be
entitled: Everywhere

Seriously, a lot of effort will be put
into finding any loopholes in the
ruling. And more tax dollars will
be used in court challenges.

Memory serves me right (being old)
the 1913 law was passed by one
political party to keep the other
political party from having guns.

 

[bushmaster1313]

Memory serves me right (being old)
the 1913 law was passed by one
political party to keep the other
political party from having guns.

The Sullivan laws were passed to keep Italians (and other persons deemed unsavory) from having guns

 

[vt_shooter]

I wonder if this ruling will somehow translate to meaning my 2A rights can accompany me across state lines, such as getting a NY non-resident CCW permit.

 

[Heinz]

I read the whole thing. Justice Thomas wrote a fine opinion. Justice Alioto wrote an excellent critique of the dissent's emotion lead , irrelevant gushing of suicide and and mass murder data that have nothing to do with New York's anti carry law. That one is worth a read also.

 

[weatherby]

I wonder if this ruling will somehow translate to meaning my 2A rights can accompany me across state lines, such as getting a NY non-resident CCW permit.

Do any of your other constitutional rights end at a state line ?

 

[johngalt]

Breyer has strange ideas (well who knew?) about the origin of government authority. In his dissent, he said something to the effect that the ruling would place an undue burden on the state's ability to regulate. Huh? The state has no rights, it has powers given to it (and can be taken away) by us.

 

[quikdraw67]

I have not read the decision in detail.

I have, however, read the comment section of the Washington Post after the news of the decision was announced.

It was not a happy day in lib land.

 

[smoothshooter]

Looks like we have a win. The Supreme Court rules against the NY concealed carry gun law in a 6-3 decision, even Roberts voted in favor. This is great news. Right up there with Heller and McDonald and will have repercussions across the country.

Don't count those chickens just yet.
No real change anytime soon.
NY will throw up every speed bump and hoop to jump through imaginable to get permits. It will be expensive, too.

 

[Kevin J.]

The Sullivan laws were passed to keep Italians (and other persons deemed unsavory) from having guns

As were a lot of the guns laws in the south during reconstruction. The Constitution is in place to protect the minority from the those currently in control of the government.

 

[smoothshooter]

It's easily as big as Heller and McDonald. Or you can see it as an extension of both of them. Either way, this is a huge win for liberty.

Thomas's opinion is what lays the groundwork for what all future federal courts must consider. The Second Amendment isn't like the arguments over the constitutionality of something like abortion. The 2A is actually in the Constitution.

You can see in the dissenting opinion that the only statement they could make is that the majority should have considered what kind of violence might occur in big cities. That my friends would be call legislating from the bench. Perhaps those three should quit SCOTUS and run for Congress.

This is not over yet-not by a long shot.

 

[PA Guns & Ammo]

Nothing is going to change in NY. This is a small win but not much more than that. You still have to get permission from the government to purchase or possess a handgun in NY. NY does not follow the Heller ruling so what makes you think they will follow this ruling? Vote with your feet, NY is a dumpster fire.

 

[NY-1]

Looks like NYC's council is already throwing nonsense at the wall to see what sticks. NYC Council pushing to expand 'sensitive locations' after SCOTUS gun ruling

Council Speaker Adrienne Adams said she plans to pass a non-binding resolution that would call on Albany to ban guns from all government buildings, schools, hospitals, places of worship, parks, daycares and cemeteries and other facilities — and establish a 1,000 foot buffer around those places where guns would also be banned.

"We're urging the state to ensure that as many places where children and vulnerable populations are present, including the subway, be designated as sensitive areas," she added. Additionally, she said she hoped state lawmakers would consider making population density alone criteria for establishing a 'sensitive location,' which would effectively ban the carrying of handguns in most of New York City.

But when asked if the goal of the buffer zones and density requirements would be to again effective ban widespread handgun ownership in the five boroughs, "an effective citywide gun ban blanket," Adams says that it was.

 

[GaryS]

Perhaps more important than over turning the NYS permit laws, was overturning "the balancing act" previously used to decide 2A cases. The 2A was treated by many courts as a second class right. No other right enumerated in the Bill of Rights was subject to this lesser standard of review.

The 2A now has the same status as the other Amendments.

This will reach far down in terms of things like magazine limits or bans, firearms rosters for states that have such an animal, the definition of "sensitive places", and even laws limiting the size and type of knives people may carry.

In theory, since these laws Constitutionally impermissible, government officials can be sued in both their professional ad personal capacities.

The "they'll just come up with new law naysayers should actually read Justice Thomas' brilliant opinion. It says a lot more than New York has to become shall issue. It places limits on what a "sensitive area" may be and raises the bar for states, counties, and cities to enact anti 2A laws.

I would contend that at least theoretically, taxes, insurance mandates, and even state required training could be effected. Onerous fees could well be treated as "poll taxes" imposed to stop blacks from voter were.

IANAL of course, but I'll bet there are lawyers looking at that decision and planning their next steps in litigating various state laws.

Justice Thomas wrote a brilliant majority opinion.

 

[sipowicz]

As a youth, St Lawrence or Parkchester. As an adult Westchester Square, or Buhre Ave.

Buhre ave! My grandparents lived on Edison Ave. You must have gone to Lateri's bakery for a box of goodies tied with a string.

 

[ladder13]

Buhre ave! My grandparents lived on Edison Ave. You must have gone to Lateri's bakery for a box of goodies tied with a string.

I lived just the other side of Westchester Ave by Crosby Cab @1739 Pilgrim Ave. Son of Sams first two victims were killed right around the corner.

 

[bushmaster1313]

As an attorney, as much as you need to advocate on behalf of your client, you also need to be able to recognize when you have lost. So let's give credit where credit is due. Letica James, the New York Attorney General who argued and lost the case for New York State, issued the following statement, which admits defeat:

The Supreme Court made its decision, but the fight to protect American families from gun violence will march on. . . . In the days to come, my office will be taking action to address the potential harm that this ruling may cause, and we will continue to defend the constitutionality of our state's laws, as we've always done. We will work with the Governor and Legislature to amend our licensing statute that will continue to protect New Yorkers.

Of course she says what she has to say as an attorney representing her client. But of all the Anti-2A talking heads she is the only one who acknowledges the Supreme Court's decision for what it is: A final ruling by the highest court in the land that New York's "May Issue" regime violates the Constitution.

 

[ladder13]

Justice Thomas referring to the 2nd and 14th really boxed in the state argument, imo.

Justice Alito scorched the minority opinion.