Next time someone asks how much an early 29-2 is worth...

[1sailor]

In reading the description it seems to me that the seller used some misleading statements in his description. However, he never actually comes out and says that the pistol is all original. He claims the parts are all original as they came from the factory but that only says that the parts themselves are not modified. He says that the tools are original to the box (not the pistol or era) but does not actually say they are original to the gun. He says the pistol "wears a beautiful pair of S&W medallion diamond center checkered Walnut target grips". All these statements could lead a buyer to believe that everything is original as came with the pistol but they can also be considered as mere disclaimers.

 

[Sebago Son]

SLIME....

Even the competing bidders look suspect...DirtyHarryGun$ales did the most to take it up to that level.

I realize the people can come up with and use any user handle they want, but... really?

Conrad,

Anyone who doesn't think that there wasn't a shill bidder involved is sleeping with their hands under the sheets.

Nothing underhanded is beyond this guy. This I can tell you from personal, first hand experience.

Drew

 

[S&WIowegan]

In reading the description it seems to me that the seller used some misleading statements in his description. However, he never actually comes out and says that the pistol is all original. He claims the parts are all original as they came from the factory but that only says that the parts themselves are not modified. He says that the tools are original to the box (not the pistol or era) but does not actually say they are original to the gun. He says the pistol "wears a beautiful pair of S&W medallion diamond center checkered Walnut target grips". All these statements could lead a buyer to believe that everything is original as came with the pistol but they can also be considered as mere disclaimers.

This is what I noticed too...Ill33 takes great pains to not exactly lie but mislead. It was fired at factory but no way to tell if it's unfired since. Owner cleaned it every so often and the pix show greasy accumulation. The density of the description is also designed to avoid careful reading.

I still say any bidder who's willing to throw $3500. at that gun ain't worthy of sympathy.

Who knows...maybe the gun will reappear on good old GB.

 

[Hapworth]

In reading the description it seems to me that the seller used some misleading statements in his description. However, he never actually comes out and says that the pistol is all original. He claims the parts are all original as they came from the factory but that only says that the parts themselves are not modified. He says that the tools are original to the box (not the pistol or era) but does not actually say they are original to the gun. He says the pistol "wears a beautiful pair of S&W medallion diamond center checkered Walnut target grips". All these statements could lead a buyer to believe that everything is original as came with the pistol but they can also be considered as mere disclaimers.

I noted those semi-subtle distinctions, too, and found the write-up all the more deceptive because of them; misleading but just short of the legal threshold for fraud. That usually takes some deliberation and experience.

And although it perhaps works for the box and tools, I believe it's commonly accepted that a "factory original" designation includes the stocks.

 

[Art Doc]

Is this the guy who held the RM box hostage? If so, he is a piece of work.

Still, somebody with $3500 to drop on a 29-2 bid on it. I wonder what the reserve was?

Are we sure the stocks are not original? MUST this gun have come with Cokes? Did somebody say 1963-64 on this? If so then I guess the Cokes are missing.

 

[lowriderfxr]

I have found the air much easier to breathe on the High Road, but I will say, Shilling is not only old British money, it can also be a verb.

 

[lowriderfxr]

I believe , as Saxson said, that cokes are original to this revolver.

 

[mbliss57]

You can't fault the seller..too much... He just listed the gun..with a lot of flowery BS. He never actually said the case was original to the gun. Although a buyer would assume it. Even in correct case that's a $1500 gun. So the buyers ignorance is the sellers luck...even if he's a schmuck.

 

[Hapworth]

Are we sure the stocks are not original? MUST this gun have come with Cokes? Did somebody say 1963-64 on this? If so then I guess the Cokes are missing.

I defer to Doc44.

The 29-2 being discussed would have originally been shipped in a clamshell presentation case and would have been fitted with coke bottle style stocks. The serial number dates the revolver to 1963-1964....

 

[lowriderfxr]

Here is my 1963 29-2 with Cokes and Clamshell case.

 

[Göring's S&W]

Certainly not like Hemingway

FWIW, and not to be persnickety, but the description is certainly NOT "Hemingway-esque." (assuming that statement refers to the wordiness of the description). Ernest Hemingway was actually known for writing more succinctly than other authors, so in reality his writing style is the opposite of the gun's description. His wording was a little more on the sparse side, most often.

I would call the writing style of the ad alternatively "Dickens-esque." His books were often long, and the text was very long-winded, excessive actually. He wrote Oliver Twist, David Copperfield, Tale of Two Cities, Great Expectations, etc. and all are fairly long. His writing style was in part a product of the times he lived in.

Hemingway was actually an avid sportsmen and hunter. I recall reading that he had a Registered Magnum. His novel "The Old Man and the Sea" is a great one.

"If a writer of prose knows enough of what he is writing about he may omit things that he knows and the reader, if the writer is writing truly enough, will have a feeling of those things as strongly as though the writer had stated them."

~ Ernest Hemingway in Death in the Afternoon

Ernest Hemingway - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[flundertaker]

Even the competing bidders look suspect...DirtyHarryGun$ales did the most to take it up to that level.

I realize the people can come up with and use any user handle they want, but... really?

i look with great suspicion upon this bidder.

 

[BruceHMX]

The seller is a ****. The buyer really wanted a Model 29. It's kind of sad. But in a way the buyer will soon understand that they need to deal with the right type of folks. Hard lesson to learn. Many of us have gone down the same path. For me it was 35 years ago. It all amounts to research, knowing the seller and then jumping in. Books, internet and friends will help you down that path. Just ask Jack(NYSP) about that beautiful Pre-29 he got hooked up with at Christmas. Oh and for a whole lot less that this guy just spent. Just my .02..

 

[lowhog]

I wonder if I paid to much for this 5 screw first year pre 29 with incorrect grips and case at 2,200 bills.

 

[TheHobbyist]

@ the OP:

I'll tell you an interesting story, and a sad one at that. When I first got into collecting, about ten years ago, I had an opportunity to buy one in the same serial range as the one you posted.

Part 1: I bought it.

In my experience, and i'll be the first to admit i am no expert, it takes about 250 - 350 cycles of the action to get a ring on the cylinder like that one. The one I had, there was no ring at all present and no blemish anywhere...the most perfect example I have ever seen. It was reported to be unfired and not handled since the factory.

I believed it and still do. I bought it for $ 750.00 at that time.

About 5 years later, I just "had" to start another project.

Part 2: I sold it.

Yep. Against my better judgement, I sold this beauty for the princely sum of $850.00. Since then, I have been trying to find another in as fine of condition for a collector piece and no luck.

 

[Art Doc]

There were 3 bidders in at the last $150. I wouldn't suggest any shilling with 2 going up against the winner.

 

[S&WIowegan]

Something tells me the infamous seller is reading this thread and laughing all the way to the bank.

On the other hand, it would be even funnier if the winning bidder saw this thread and lost his wallet somewhere.....

 

[r3captain]

Scary part is that FOUR bidders bid over $2000 and THREE of them over $3000!

 

[r3captain]

Based on the sellers verbiage and being from a state known for them, wonder if he could be a lawyer?

 

[29-1]

Here is my 1963 29-2 with Cokes and Clamshell case.

Many, I need to send you a 6" cleaning rod for that beauty,
Chuck