I just don't believe that all. It doesn't match what I objectively see.
Sure enjoy my CCL and online purchasing.
Sure enjoy my CCL and online purchasing.
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NM Gov orders no gun carry in most populous county
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kbm6893
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If governors and mayors can totally disregard the courts, then the courts have no power. Those of us here who live in gun free states can enjoy the perks all they want, but those who live in California, NY, Illinois, Connecticut, and Washington DC don't get to enjoy those same rights, despite what the courts mandate. When the Heller decision was passed, DC complied, but added so many expenses, obstacles, and conditions to owning a firearm that nothing really changed. Try to get a handgun permit in NYC now and tell me the courts have any power. Long waits, exorbitant fees, mandatory training classes, 7 round magazine limits, limits on ammunition types. All of this AFTER the Supreme Court said they couldn't arbitrarily deny a person the right to a weapon. And 15 months later, those conditions still stand and no end in sight.
Glad you enjoy your online purchasing. The residents of NY can't do that. They have to submit to a background check and pay a $2.50 fee for a box of ammo. I know you're gonna say then the residents should vote them out, but when 5 counties have more power than the other 57, there's no hope.
Glad you enjoy your online purchasing. The residents of NY can't do that. They have to submit to a background check and pay a $2.50 fee for a box of ammo. I know you're gonna say then the residents should vote them out, but when 5 counties have more power than the other 57, there's no hope.
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You say you live in New Mexico.
Being objective, do the new "red flag laws" and "universal background checks" passed and signed into law by MLG and her party, offer more or less freedom to the average law abiding gun owner? Do they affect the law abiding or the criminals?
How about the fact that gunshows are banned from the NM fair grounds?
In the 60 day legislation session coming up, how many new gun laws do you think will be passed given MLG and her party's majorities and their need to do something/anything?
BTW anybody who is objective, can see there's a two tiered justice system. All we have to do is look at what's happening to a certain crack head with the initials "HB". If we did what HB is accused of doing, we already be in prison. No sweetheart deals for us. So yeah, I don't trust the Man nor the system.
Here's the one that happened before that.
Fifth arrest made in shooting death of 5-year-old
Fifth arrest made in shooting death of 5-year-old
Teenagers stole two vehicles and did a drive by and killed a 5yo sleeping.
In the above incidents, raise your hand if you think MLGs ban of open and concealed carry in ABQ and Bernalillo Co. would've prevented these crimes?
Sistema1927
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Ματθιας;141829825 said:
My hand is definitely down, and I am sitting on it to avoid anyone thinking otherwise.
Ματθιας;141829818 said:
I actually live in rural SE NM.
I have no problem with red flag laws - those here are rarely used and only against violent, threatening, or mentally ill people. You know - those who are likely to use firearms to hurt or kill others. And anyone feeling victimized by the enforcement of these laws can appeal their situation like with any other law. As designed.
Gun shows are completely legal everywhere but the state fairgrounds. So what; you can't fish, hunt, or camp there either.
Legislative sessions are exactly where laws are passed and grassroots lobbying is most effective. As designed.
That's banned (here) political discussion.
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kbm6893
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I have no problem with red flag laws, but the ones in your state, what is the procedure? If a person makes an accusation against you, and a judge grants the seizure, what is that based on? How long until the hearing is held? Do you have to pay for an attorney?
Red flag laws without due process and no penalty for the accuser if the claim is found to be malicious or without merit are not a win for gun owners. And something tells me that the overwhelming( if not all) cases brought to a judge are acted on since nobody wants to be in the front page of the news if they don't sign it. Just because you haven't been the victim of one doesn't mean you can't be. And then you won't be such a fan of them.
I'm glad you aren't feeling the sting that others in your state are feeling. I'm glad you haven't been accused of not being fit to own a gun and your rights being stripped without due process. I guarantee you there are people in your state who have been.
It's similar to NYS. The residents of NYC think the new rules are great. The other 55 counties don't. The gun owners who are content carrying a 5 shot J frame didn't mind the Safe Act, that limited magazines to 7 rounds. Didn't affect them so they were indifferent. Then another law came in and those same gun owners who used to carry that J frame when they went to the store or the park now can't. And 15 months later, they still can't. And the courts aren't gonna do a thing about it. The governor who did it ignored the courts and is laughing at the courts. The residents of those 7-8 counties will continue to speak for the other 55 counties who don't agree with it.
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Cool.
That wasn't what I asked you.
What I asked was: "Being objective, do the new "red flag laws" and "universal background checks" passed and signed into law by MLG and her party, offer more or less freedom to the average law abiding gun owner? Do they affect the law abiding or the criminals? "
I didn't ask you that, either.
We'll ignore the fact that, prior to the MLG admin, gun shows had been at the fairgrounds for decades.
Again, that wasn't what I asked you.
What I asked was "In the 60 day legislation session coming up, how many new gun laws do you think will be passed given MLG and her party's majorities and their need to do something/anything?" That has NOTHING to do with politics.
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Well, if a person looks for reasons to feel injured, they can always find them. And if you don't like state laws, lobby to change them, vote out those who passed them, and challenge them in court.
kbm6893
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When the majority of people live in small areas that are generally not gun friendly, they speak for the rest of the state, and lobbying doesn't do anything. And the NY law is being challenged in court. 15 months later they're still in place. Who knows how many more years until it sees a court, and even if it's overturned the governor will just make a new one to and the process starts all over. The cities set the laws, which is why the residents of Illinois have FOID cards due to the crime in Chicago, and residents of upstate NY lose their rights due to NYC and Long Island. It reminds me of the old saying
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me"
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Folks who have paychecks written by "The System" (yes even contractors or subcontractors) ain't going to question it. Stop the pain, no minds being changed here. Joe
Great thoughts but probably not doable in CA, NY, NJ, MA, CT, RI, VT, IL, OR, WA, MD, and some more that I missed. Our system works, as you know, on a majority vote. And when that majority is of a certain ideology, the state and therefore the government responds to the wishes of that majority. You've got to change the mind set of the voters to change the government. And on gun control, those trenches and front lines are dug deep.
Well, I started life in small business; I had an FFL as part of it. Firearms, especially specific makes/models, were harder to get and slower on delivery than are my private purchases today.
I'm reminded that in two nations with the same actual and legal DNA, an abhorrent practice was eliminated. In one it took six hundred thousand lives and mind-boggling destruction. In the other, they simply passed a law. Both ended the practice.
Which was smarter? The one that used a democratic process, or the other that tried (and failed) to have their way through extra-legal means? Which was more just?
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biku, I never wanted to state: "I'm right, you're wrong." You've been around a long time, contributed much. I guess that at 70 I remember a "different" America, way more free than today. 10 miles west of NYC we slept with our doors unlocked and everyone spoke the same language. You are correct that "We" have won monumental legal battles which have given us "new" freedom. But at the cost of endless litigation, mindless conflict, biased "reportage" and hapless, dishonest political manipulation. I'm glad folks like you are willing to go where necessary to do what you feel is "right" in the "pursuit of justice." I'm doing the same in my own direction. Be safe "over there." Joe
The Somalis have no real hope of justice in this generation - they're just trying to live.
And I'm a mere youth of 68.
And I'm a mere youth of 68.
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Gov. renews public health order, tacks on gun buy-backs, substance abuse treatment
Gov. renews public health order, tacks on gun buy-backs, substance abuse treatment
Matthew Reisen / Journal Staff Writer Oct 6, 2023 Updated 12 hrs ago
Gov. renews public health order, tacks on gun buy-backs, substance abuse treatment | News | abqjournal.com
Yesterday, two kids were busted at a high school w/firearms. Maybe they ignored the laws and no firearms signs(!). Mom turned one in, her son stole her gun, and the other got ratted out. Local news media made it a point to point out how many rounds the magazines held and how many magazines were found.
It wouldn't surprise me if a magazine ban is coming in next years legislative session.
Gov. renews public health order, tacks on gun buy-backs, substance abuse treatment
Matthew Reisen / Journal Staff Writer Oct 6, 2023 Updated 12 hrs ago
Gov. renews public health order, tacks on gun buy-backs, substance abuse treatment | News | abqjournal.com
Yesterday, two kids were busted at a high school w/firearms. Maybe they ignored the laws and no firearms signs(!). Mom turned one in, her son stole her gun, and the other got ratted out. Local news media made it a point to point out how many rounds the magazines held and how many magazines were found.
It wouldn't surprise me if a magazine ban is coming in next years legislative session.
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Erich
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Federal injunction against enforcement filed today - hat tip to my learned brother in the law, A. Blair Dunn. There's nothing like the speed of the federal judiciary hurtling to defend the Constitution, eh? 
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19 - MOO GRANTING PI IN PART.pdf - Google Drive
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