NM Gov orders no gun carry in most populous county
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Ah, the ever accurate Albuquerque Urinal. Some things never change.
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I equate this with taking away every law abiding citizens right to drive a vehicle just because there has been a rash of drunk drivers causing accidents
Shocked that showed up on page one, and also shocked the image was not one of those evil assault rifles!
IMHO this was just a trial balloon sent up by a good soldier looking to show her allegiance to the party. She is now a "made" person in that syndicate, a true 1%er.
Radical actions like this "health order" are designed to move the line making other radical actions seem almost sensible.
They are trying to slowly boil the frog and it is pretty effective. Just take a moment and think about things that are mainstream today that would have been considered lunacy just 10 years ago.
Radical actions like this "health order" are designed to move the line making other radical actions seem almost sensible.
They are trying to slowly boil the frog and it is pretty effective. Just take a moment and think about things that are mainstream today that would have been considered lunacy just 10 years ago.
Well peaceful ILLEGAL public disobedience is a proven tactic that can bring change. We have already discuss the ILLEGAL protest marches of the 1960's. How about a more recent example of ILLEGAL civil disobedience;
The national 55 mph speed limit on highways.
At first it was zealously and strictly enforced enforced by LEO's. As more people turned against the speed limit (usually after paying a expensive ticket) became common to try to beat police radar. Remember "Fuzz Busters"? Public disobedience and lack of political support by citizens gradually resulted in less and less enforcement of the speed limit. It eventually became too hot of potato which led to it's repeal.
The first and most important thing a Congressperson does after taking office is starting fundraising for their next election. I get emails from both of my Senators in D.C. every one or two weeks. They are mostly useless political propaganda. Several short articles with pictures (always got to have pictures) of the Senator smiling and shaking hands with local leaders, teachers, businessmen bragging about how he supports them.
Ok marching ain't your thing. How about meeting your Congressperson the next time they are in town. They usually love to post where they will be having meetings with the public while in town. One on One can be a effective way to make your opinions known.
The national 55 mph speed limit on highways.
At first it was zealously and strictly enforced enforced by LEO's. As more people turned against the speed limit (usually after paying a expensive ticket) became common to try to beat police radar. Remember "Fuzz Busters"? Public disobedience and lack of political support by citizens gradually resulted in less and less enforcement of the speed limit. It eventually became too hot of potato which led to it's repeal.
The first and most important thing a Congressperson does after taking office is starting fundraising for their next election. I get emails from both of my Senators in D.C. every one or two weeks. They are mostly useless political propaganda. Several short articles with pictures (always got to have pictures) of the Senator smiling and shaking hands with local leaders, teachers, businessmen bragging about how he supports them.
Ok marching ain't your thing. How about meeting your Congressperson the next time they are in town. They usually love to post where they will be having meetings with the public while in town. One on One can be a effective way to make your opinions known.
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The argument that we shouldn't trust a system that has brought us to the place we are now, with freedoms easier to exercise than ever before, just makes little sense to me. Based on performance, the system that has delivered this state of affairs wins my respect by its results; I trust the system far, far more than I trust those who do not trust the system and who have only complaints, not results.
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Yikes, I guess you just woke up from a 35 year nap. Joe
Nope - I can read results. In the past 35 years we've seen positive litigation with SCOTUS, and a raft of state laws making CCW 'shall issue' and making many states open to reciprocity. You can find and buy an amazing variety of firearms and ammo online and have them delivered to your FFL (guns) or home (everything else). All of this is more open than before; all was done using the system. Maybe we should learn to take 'yes' for an answer.
Not seeing similar results from rock-throwers or sullen demonstrators.
Not seeing similar results from rock-throwers or sullen demonstrators.
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The system can, and typically does work, IF citizens are involved. With that said peaceful civil disobedience and jury nullification has, and always will be a valuable tool in a free society.
And neither of the last have been needed in gaining today's firearms freedoms. They have in many other issues, but what gunowners enjoy today is purely done through the courts and state legislatures.
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Very true.
But who is to say, the "threat" of and/or the ability to protest didn't have bearing on what was done by legislature and the courts.
Rosewood
We will never know, and speculation isn't productive.
Sistema1927
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This is the incident that led to Gov MLG's swipe at the US and NM Constitutions. You will notice that the two young men being charged are upstanding citizens who probably have concealed carry permits and would never have anything to do with drugs or gangs. </sarcasm>
Police make arrests in shooting that killed 11-year-old | News | abqjournal.com
Police make arrests in shooting that killed 11-year-old | News | abqjournal.com
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I don't disagree. Unfortunately the 1st, 4th and 5th amendments have not enjoyed the same respect/rulings by the courts in last 20 plus years.
Yes and no……I think it was Jan of '20 (other news was happening), that a newly seated Dem majority VA state house was "influenced " by some 20+K (numbers vary) peaceful gun rights demonstrators. Apparently, their planned restrictive gun legislation was scaled back significantly. There are others, more localized that may not make the national news. Your recent demonstrations in NM were peaceful, went national and had some influence on the outcome. So it's not unheard of. There are time and place for them and they sometimes provide results…..
However, my concerns with protestors and demonstrations would be command and control and counter demonstrations. Under that scenario how would you keep potentially "armed" demonstrators peaceful and non confrontational? With thousands protesting peacefully, all we would need is one of our own to lose their temper and everything would go down hill quick……
However, my concerns with protestors and demonstrations would be command and control and counter demonstrations. Under that scenario how would you keep potentially "armed" demonstrators peaceful and non confrontational? With thousands protesting peacefully, all we would need is one of our own to lose their temper and everything would go down hill quick……
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No, it's not. "before" goes back 50+ years when We The People HAD all that and more - until it was taken away. 2 generations and then some have passed since then and countless dollars of litigation costs, and we've now taken back some what was rightfully ours in the first place.
I'm taking a page from their playbook - "justice delayed is justice denied".
If someone robbed my house and I got some of my stuff back 50 years later I wouldn't consider that a victory.
Some of the damage has been undone, at great expense. But make no mistake - the same kinds of people who stole our liberties in the 1st place continue to plot every day to re-do that damage and more. In some cases, the very same people! They won't rest until we are a disarmed nation.
Gratitude and complacency are our enemies...
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