No locks??????

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It's not just no-lock 642's--another batch of pre-lock, pre-MIM Model 37's has also been released:

http://smith-wessonforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/530103904/m/1041066313

Including the recently-released Model 40, that makes three current-production models now available without the internal lock. So far they're all J-frames--I wonder if they'll ever build any of their larger models without locks.
 
I've got one of the 37's coming my way. It is so cool seeing that hammer mounted pin and no lock on a new gun
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Good Lord. Something that makes sense.

What is the world coming to?????

Anybody know what caused this change of heart in Springfield?

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Just for grins, let say Smith continues to bring out models without the lock. And just for grins, these new models sell like hot cakes (is that one word or two?). And just for grins, they decide to completely eleminate the lock. Now, what do you think the old lock guns would be worth? More or less? My guess is the would be work about 50% of current value. JMHO
 
I would buy a 3" no lock, 686 +.

I agree with Geronimo Jims assesment as to the value of lock equipped guns, should S&W start producing useful no lock models.

The Safety Hammer IL guns could still be sold to those who don't know any better. I mean, after all, whos buying them now?
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Regards 18DAI.
 
Lock guns are already worth quite a bit less than a no-lock. So let the trend continue since S&W couldn't put a stupid lock on a hammer- but instead on the damn frame.
 
Originally posted by pangris:
Forgive me - I got real busy for a couple months and haven't been around - are my eyes telling lies??

http://smith-wessonforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/511103904/m/2781009602

NIB 642s with no locks???

I am beside myself with joy.
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Right now, you can have your dealer order both the 642 and the DAO 37 WITHOUT internal locks from the distributor RSR.

CDNN just got a shipment of a whole bunch of S&W revolvers without internal locks also.
 
Originally posted by Geronimo Jim:
Just for grins, let say Smith continues to bring out models without the lock. And just for grins, these new models sell like hot cakes (is that one word or two?). And just for grins, they decide to completely eleminate the lock. Now, what do you think the old lock guns would be worth? More or less? My guess is the would be work about 50% of current value. JMHO
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The lock guns would become the revolver shooter's equivalent of the push-feed Model 70 Winchester - OK for the range but scorned for serious work. I think your 50% figure is sound, since that's about what pushers bring compared to pre-64 or Classic Model 70's.

This could have an unexpected benefit for guys who prefer scandium/lightweight guns: buy a cheap scandium/lightweight lock gun as a trainer for your scandium/lightweight no-lock gun. Shoot the lock gun until it absolutely falls apart, then throw away the carcass or part it out. That would save wear and tear on your no-lock gun, which you would carry when your life was on the line.

Sound like a plan?


Okie John
 
Originally posted by Centurian77:
Lock guns are already worth quite a bit less than a no-lock. So let the trend continue since S&W couldn't put a stupid lock on a hammer- but instead on the damn frame.
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Unless the laws of supply and demand are repealed, the trend should reverse, and the value of a used no-lock gun will decrease. In simple terms, who will pay $400 for a used gun if they can buy a new one for $400? The premium for the no-lock guns was a result of limited supply, and that limitation may be history.

It is difficult to say what will happen to the value of a lock gun since supply and demand will probably remain about the same. That would imply that the value would remain the same. If there is less demand for the guns with the lock, S&W will produce fewer. I would guess that a few purchasers of the 642 would actually want the lock, but about 90% don't really care. Most of the folks on this board are in that 10% that do care. It will be interesting to see how the guns sell if S&W decides to offer both.

What happens in places like the Peoples Republik of Kalifornia? Can you buy/sell a no-lock gun there?
 
Interesting thought on market values. If Smith offered both, I would buy the no lock.

But of my current "holdings" of "locks", I doubt that I would sell any of them. They are all fine shooters and serve a specific purpose for me. So, if the market value on 'em went down 50%...so what. If it went up 100%...so what.

I have a Winchester Model 88 I bought new in '73 for $135. It's worth $900 to $1,000 today. But I'll die owning it.

But then.....that's just me.

Dave
 
Originally posted by davemuzz:
Interesting thought on market values. If Smith offered both, I would buy the no lock.

But of my current "holdings" of "locks", I doubt that I would sell any of them. They are all fine shooters and serve a specific purpose for me. So, if the market value on 'em went down 50%...so what. If it went up 100%...so what.
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GrantCunningham.com explains what is going on

REVOLVER ALERT: Non-lock S&W revolvers for sale!
Monday, August 04, 2008 Filed in: Revolvers

Regular readers know that I'm not a fan of the internal locks on current Smith & Wessons, and I refuse to personally carry a gun so equipped. I've documented far too many cases of spontaneous lock activation, which renders the gun inoperable in the middle of a string of fire, to ever feel confident in that mechanism for self-defense applications.

If you have the same opinion, you'll be excited to learn that Smith & Wesson has released a very limited run of Model 642 Airweight Centennials without the internal locking system! These are new production guns made with "leftover" non-lock frames, according to S&W. In addition, these guns have the traditional screwed-in barrels, as opposed to the sleeved liner type that the company is now using.

They were able to put together approximately 4,000 of them, and there will be no more.

The unexpected availability of these guns makes it possible for the person who wants a "non-lock" gun to get one new in the box, as opposed to hunting gun stores and gun shows for an example in decent shape. I urge anyone interested in an Airweight Centennial to pick one of these up.

RSR Group is the exclusive distributor of these revolvers. Their stock number is SW103810FC, and as of this morning they had 1,136 left in stock.

RSR Group is a distributor, not a retailer, and require an FFL and a dealer account with them to order a gun. Ask your local dealer to contact RSR and order one in for you - chances are that there will be more than yours in the package, as the dealer will probably want one for personal use too!

Folks, these won't last long. You'll need to move fast if you want one!
 
Well, given that this is a one-time limited run, I doubt it will have any long-term effect on the value of either no-lock or IL 642's. These will probably be snapped-up by the no-lock true-believers, and then we are right back where we were.
 
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