I carried the 6906 for 27 years, the CZ P 07 for the last 2. If'n I get 27 years out of it that should be well past dead. I do carry it with 15 rd mag, the 17rd bulks it up a bit. Joe
No love out there for certain polymer pistols
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Carried a large carbon steel 4" revolver for 14 years. Sometimes with a BUG, steel 2". Then another 15 years with a aluminum framed SIG Sauer that was hefty too. While I still love big revolvers and big Sigs I only carry them from my truck 20 feet to the range bench.
EDC now is as small and light as possible. Glock 42 and a Smith 442. Since the G 42 is the smallest its carried the most. No longer doing raids on felons I feel fine with a plastic .380. It's only job is up close and very personal defense.
My sore right hip thanks me.
EDC now is as small and light as possible. Glock 42 and a Smith 442. Since the G 42 is the smallest its carried the most. No longer doing raids on felons I feel fine with a plastic .380. It's only job is up close and very personal defense.
My sore right hip thanks me.
I still claim to be a revolver or metal-framed third generation Smith guy, but the Sig P365 or G43 get a lot of holster time. Same with the G19, G26, and G32 and the M&P Shield Plus and...
Bill Bates
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I agree with LVSteve. On the used market full size polymer pistols and even non collectable steel frame pistols aren't favored and that is pretty understandable.
The average person buying a handgun these days is looking for something for EASY concealed carry. The smaller, thinner and lighter the better. Where a full size Glock might bring 50 or 60 cents on the dollar from its new price a Ruger LCP or SIG 365 will go for 70 or 80 cents on the dollar used.
The average reader here is a completely different class/type of buyer. Our handgun wants can be very different from the average buyer. On the bright side it means we can make real buys on handguns that over are looked by the general buying public.
The average person buying a handgun these days is looking for something for EASY concealed carry. The smaller, thinner and lighter the better. Where a full size Glock might bring 50 or 60 cents on the dollar from its new price a Ruger LCP or SIG 365 will go for 70 or 80 cents on the dollar used.
The average reader here is a completely different class/type of buyer. Our handgun wants can be very different from the average buyer. On the bright side it means we can make real buys on handguns that over are looked by the general buying public.
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See? YMMV every time! Duckford has it right. You do you but don't make it like others have to agree with your choices.
Very wise choice!!!!
YMMV!!!!
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My one and only Polymer gun is my Sig P365 which has become my EDC for 4 years. All my other guns are steel & wood. Even though I absolutely think my Sig is the best carry gun for me thus far, I have absolutely no desire at all for more plastic guns.
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LVSteve
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Can somebody direct me to the part in my original post where I made this a steel and wood versus polymer thread. 
I saw a bunch of new CZs go under the hammer today. Either a gunstore went broke or they just decided to dump them. All the steel race guns got proper money. I don't think any of the P-10 series made retail, even with the buyers' premium.
At another auction the Glock 17s and 22s languished price wise compared their smaller brethren.
I saw a bunch of new CZs go under the hammer today. Either a gunstore went broke or they just decided to dump them. All the steel race guns got proper money. I don't think any of the P-10 series made retail, even with the buyers' premium.
At another auction the Glock 17s and 22s languished price wise compared their smaller brethren.
It’s hard for me to actually say that I do not like poly pistols. For the most part I do not but my HK P9s Sports Group 3 is really nice.
@ 10 years ago I decided to replace my 1934 PP for carry just because I found out how much it was worth. That’s the only little that I trusted.
Ended up with a Kahr P380 after handling all the like others. It was so perfect I got a Kahr PM9 eventually followed by a PM45 w/NS. Just for another option I got another PM9, blackened that I put a CT laser on. I really like them all but wouldn’t miss any of them if there was ever an issue and were put into “property pending investigation.”
The PM45 is the smallest, lightest and most accurate little .45 I have.
Jim
@ 10 years ago I decided to replace my 1934 PP for carry just because I found out how much it was worth. That’s the only little that I trusted.
Ended up with a Kahr P380 after handling all the like others. It was so perfect I got a Kahr PM9 eventually followed by a PM45 w/NS. Just for another option I got another PM9, blackened that I put a CT laser on. I really like them all but wouldn’t miss any of them if there was ever an issue and were put into “property pending investigation.”
The PM45 is the smallest, lightest and most accurate little .45 I have.
Jim
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Can somebody direct me to the part in my original post where I made this a steel and wood versus polymer thread.
I saw a bunch of new CZs go under the hammer today. Either a gunstore went broke or they just decided to dump them. All the steel race guns got proper money. I don't think any of the P-10 series made retail, even with the buyers' premium.
At another auction the Glock 17s and 22s languished price wise compared their smaller brethren.
What’s reading got to do with it?
I am not a Glocker.
I brought a Model 43X last year. Converted it to Shield Arms 15 round magazines. Absolutely hate the trigger. Just had a flat face trigger installed along with a action job so will see if it improves things.
Wife brought M&P 1.0 9mm. A APEX trigger kit much improves it.
hummm. Aftermarket triggers needed on both guns. Seeing a pattern here.
Except I have brought a couple of 1.0 Shield 9mm. No complaints.
I guess the plastic fantastic is the same as cold steel and wood. Some need tweaks and some are fine out of the box.
I brought a Model 43X last year. Converted it to Shield Arms 15 round magazines. Absolutely hate the trigger. Just had a flat face trigger installed along with a action job so will see if it improves things.
Wife brought M&P 1.0 9mm. A APEX trigger kit much improves it.
hummm. Aftermarket triggers needed on both guns. Seeing a pattern here.
Except I have brought a couple of 1.0 Shield 9mm. No complaints.
I guess the plastic fantastic is the same as cold steel and wood. Some need tweaks and some are fine out of the box.
cowboy4evr
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I have never owner a glock , I have shot several as a friend of mine , at the time was still a LEO and a big fan of glock . I shot several models he owned , found them quite accurate , reliable and I didn't even think about the grip angle or grip hump . I'm not a polymer fan , but I do see the reason for owning / using them , esp as a LEO / home defense . Regards Paul
I've owned three Glocks back in the 90s a 19 and two 26s...... just didn't care for them and soon went back to 3rd Gen Smiths.
The rush to 26/27s and .40S&W allowed me to grab a few extra 3rd Gun Smith's at dirt cheap pricing!
As a old revolver shooter and Civilian concealed carrier I prefer a hammer and DA/SA triggers on my carry guns!
The rush to 26/27s and .40S&W allowed me to grab a few extra 3rd Gun Smith's at dirt cheap pricing!
As a old revolver shooter and Civilian concealed carrier I prefer a hammer and DA/SA triggers on my carry guns!
There are a lot of used polymer pistols on the market and due to their popularity among the police, a lot of them are Glocks. A lot of sellers seem to think that they are worth nearly new prices. It's all about supply and demand. As you have stated, these days with liberal carry laws, everyone wants a 9mm subcompact pistol that they can comfortably carry. That's why the bigger pistols go wanting for buyers.
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LVSteve
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Playing devil's advocate (and maybe this deserves its own thread) :
Could the complaints many have about striker triggers be described as a training issue? (Dons flame suit
)I say this because of the howls I see online by people testing the SCCY CPX series of pistols that have a trigger like a DAO revolver, i.e. no reset. It drives the reset mafia nuts. Does a trigger being different automatically make it bad?
...and I'll say again, I started this thread as a commentary on what polymer pistols are selling, and which are not. This was never about steel vs polymer, or so I thought.
I will have to add my 2-cents here for the Ruger EC9s - it occupies a special place at our house & I've had zero issues with it. I did spend too much for the mags - but they're all Made in Italy (MecGar, maybe?). I liked it enough that I picked up a CTC laser for it ... before the pandemic pricing hit on them (over $200 now). I think Ruger did a great job with these - the slide actually rides on an aluminum sub-frame instead of just some metal tabs molded into the frame + it has a pretty decent safety. I was given a choice of a couple of pistols when Ruger condemned an LCP I had sent back to them a few years ago & I picked the EC9s and have not regretted it.
ACORN
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A timely thread for me.
I’ve owned a few Glocks but never warmed to them. So I sold them.
I recently bought a Ruger PCC9 that takes Glock mags.
Now I’m considering another Glock.
A pawn shop had a 17 for $400.
I may see if it’s still there.
Used Glocks seem to be creeping up in price here.
It used to be $400 17s of 19s were everywhere. Now not so much.
Next time I am going to try and like one.
BTW, my daily carry is also a Ruger EC9S. Front pocket carry.
Don’t even know it’s there.
I’ve owned a few Glocks but never warmed to them. So I sold them.
I recently bought a Ruger PCC9 that takes Glock mags.
Now I’m considering another Glock.
A pawn shop had a 17 for $400.
I may see if it’s still there.
Used Glocks seem to be creeping up in price here.
It used to be $400 17s of 19s were everywhere. Now not so much.
Next time I am going to try and like one.
BTW, my daily carry is also a Ruger EC9S. Front pocket carry.
Don’t even know it’s there.
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I have had a number of Glocks over the years. I never kept one. Just never really tripped my trigger, pardon the pun.
I picked up a Glock 45MOS after reading the reviews, and it does live up to the hype.
Great out of the box trigger. good ergonomics, southpaw friendly, accurate.
O don't think that it's going anywhere anytime soon but to the range with me.
The only other polymer frame pistols I have are a Walther P99AS 9mm and a Ruger MkIII 22/45. I shoot them once in a great while.
Every other handguns are metal framed.
I picked up a Glock 45MOS after reading the reviews, and it does live up to the hype.
Great out of the box trigger. good ergonomics, southpaw friendly, accurate.
O don't think that it's going anywhere anytime soon but to the range with me.
The only other polymer frame pistols I have are a Walther P99AS 9mm and a Ruger MkIII 22/45. I shoot them once in a great while.
Every other handguns are metal framed.
Playing devil's advocate (and maybe this deserves its own thread) :
Could the complaints many have about striker triggers be described as a training issue? (Dons flame suit
It isn’t a training issue for us.
The factory trigger on the 43X MOS isn’t comfortable for me. The dingus (safety lever) rubs a blister on the bottom of my trigger finger. (I have soft hands I guess). Anyway after less than 100 rounds my finger is getting raw and no longer fun to shoot. The flat trigger is more comfortable which means shooting more rounds and better shooting techniques.
Complaints about the trigger on the M&P 1.0 were so common S&W improved it and brought out a new model. We brought a 1.0 with APEX trigger before the 2.0 was introduced. We found we still prefer it over the stock 1.0 and 2.0 and see no reason to change. In fact I have a backup 1.0 that I plan on adding the APEX trigger kit to.
With that said I am still carrying a Beretta 92FS as my edc. I just like it better than the plastic fantastic striker fire pistols. The 43X MOS is a eventual candidate for a Red Dot Optic to find out what all the excitement is about.
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I can understand the compacts/sub-compacts selling for more than their full size counterparts. For concealed carry, compact just makes more sense. At least that is the case for me. My EDC is a Glock 26. My bride has one of her own.
Here is something else to consider with the compact semi-autos; they are not punishing to shoot. Some years ago Massad Ayoob wrote a couple of articles to explain why LE and competitive shooters were shooting equal or better scores with their Glock 26/27 vs the duty sized Glocks. Compare that to the experience of shooting a J frame S&W vs a K frame S&W. One can make various mods to a J frame to mitigate some of the negative elements, but it still won't equal the K frame. To me, that factor is a major advantage to the compact semi-autos.
Prior to purchasing the G26 my EDC was a S&W 6906. I still have this pistol and would never part with it. That large double stack grip fits my large hands better than any handgun I have ever picked up - revolver or semi-auto. Between the configuration and the action job I had my gunsmith do, I shoot it very well. I would love to have that same sized grip frame on my S&W 52-2.
I switched to the G26 because it is a little more compact and light weight, it is quickly replaceable if ever booked into evidence (thus to that extent expendable), and I suspect (but don't know) that over a very long haul it may be more durable.
So within the criteria OP sets forth, I can well understand the preference for compact semi-autos in a market where the priority is EDC.
While OP states he did not create this thread as a steel vs polymer, that issue has arisen. I submit the preference for polymer is less weight as that is an EDC issue, at least for many of us.
Lastly, YMMV. In that context I fail to see any value in someone proclaiming their vehement dislike for anyone else's choice of handguns.
Here is something else to consider with the compact semi-autos; they are not punishing to shoot. Some years ago Massad Ayoob wrote a couple of articles to explain why LE and competitive shooters were shooting equal or better scores with their Glock 26/27 vs the duty sized Glocks. Compare that to the experience of shooting a J frame S&W vs a K frame S&W. One can make various mods to a J frame to mitigate some of the negative elements, but it still won't equal the K frame. To me, that factor is a major advantage to the compact semi-autos.
Prior to purchasing the G26 my EDC was a S&W 6906. I still have this pistol and would never part with it. That large double stack grip fits my large hands better than any handgun I have ever picked up - revolver or semi-auto. Between the configuration and the action job I had my gunsmith do, I shoot it very well. I would love to have that same sized grip frame on my S&W 52-2.
I switched to the G26 because it is a little more compact and light weight, it is quickly replaceable if ever booked into evidence (thus to that extent expendable), and I suspect (but don't know) that over a very long haul it may be more durable.
So within the criteria OP sets forth, I can well understand the preference for compact semi-autos in a market where the priority is EDC.
While OP states he did not create this thread as a steel vs polymer, that issue has arisen. I submit the preference for polymer is less weight as that is an EDC issue, at least for many of us.
Lastly, YMMV. In that context I fail to see any value in someone proclaiming their vehement dislike for anyone else's choice of handguns.
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pantannojack
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Since I got my Shield 45 used/as new for 66% new retail, I have had no interest in looking further. Blue steel revolvers are a different story.
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