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Kinda makes me worry just how rampant hallucinogenic drug use is in the District of Columbia and just how gullible the mayor is. Laws are enacted by Congress, then approved and signed by the President, and not solely by anyone who resides at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. IF they can't agree on fiscal spending limits, debt ceiling limts, tax law expiration dates, financial aide for New Jersey and New York following Hurricane Sandy, how can they make this happen in less than three weeks? The last information that I have indicated that the VP was to head a task force to study the problems, issues, possible solutions, and then provide recommendations to the WH and Congress. The task force is also supposed to consult with and receive both oral and written evidence from mental health experts, LEOs, chiefs of police, etc. Perhaps I missed something? From the information that I am reading, this could be one of the toughest battles that the Congress has had in years.
 
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Kinda makes me worry just how rampant hallucinogenic drug use is in the District of Columbia and just how gullible the mayor is. Laws are enacted by Congress, then approved and signed by the President, and not solely by anyone who resides at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. IF they can't agree on fiscal spending limits, debt ceiling limts, tax law expiration dates, financial aide for New Jersey and New York following Hurricane Sandy, how can they make this happen in less than three weeks? The last information that I have indicated that the VP was to head a task force to study the problems, issues, possible solutions, and then provide recommendations to the WH and Congress. The task force is also supposed to consult with and receive both oral and written evidence from mental health experts, LEOs, chiefs of police, etc. Perhaps I missed something? From the information that I am reading, this could be one of the toughest battles that the Congress has had in years.
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The point is that "task force" leader biden has an established anti-2nd Ammendment agenda. The "task force" is a joke and we all know it. These people talk much about "common sense" gun laws, but it is hard to come together and negotiate with people that have an agenda and will except nothing less, regardless of what they say in public. This biden quote was between two komrades. It just helps prove what they really have planned.

I hope you're correct that they have a tough row to hoe on this. Maybe the beating the Speaker of the House just took on the "fiscal cliff" will put him in no mood to put up with any more abuse. His constituents are getting pretty ticked.
 
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BSeabrooke said:
Kinda makes me worry just how rampant hallucinogenic drug use is in the District of Columbia and just how gullible the mayor is. Laws are enacted by Congress, then approved and signed by the President, and not solely by anyone who resides at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
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This......
 
VMaxSplat said:
The point is that "task force" leader biden has an established anti-2nd Ammendment agenda. The "task force" is a joke and we all know it. This biden quote was between two komrades. It just helps prove what they really have planned.
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THIS^^^ The administration,you know, the one that we've been told for months/years now, that has no interest in eroding our gun rights, is now front and center leading the charge. "Make no mistake" to borrow the oft quoted leader, Feinstein-Biden-Schumer are covering for the head of the party.
 
Have you noticed that since the 1st of the year articles regarding "gun control" have fallen sharply. Two sites I follow had numerous articles last week, none today. That's not to say this issue won't resurface, it will, but emotions have calmed for the moment.
 
Passed by the end of January? If I'm not wrong the 20th or 22nd, somewhere around there, is the first day new legislation can be proposed. Of course they may change the rules or simply ignore them but even then, getting a bill passed through both houses and signed in less than 30 days would be quite the feat.
 
I've seen it go from being called "common sense gun laws" instead of "gun control", as well as the new favorite "gun safety".

Euphemisms at their finest, folks.
 
Its not what the politicians do that matters . . . but what the American people who are gunowners do (or don't do).

The founders of this nation understood that those with power tend to abuse it. They tend to try to form their notion of 'the perfect society' which usually means certain rights & privileges for them . . but not for you. Afterall, they are the 'elites'.
Many times in history, what those in power determined was 'best for the people' turned out to lead to the peoples imprisonment or murder. Just study history, and you'll see how common this is.

Embodied within the US Constitution, including the Bill of Rights are protections of the people against the abuses of those in government. Of course, this includes the 2nd Amendment. . . . which is really the ultimate check on such abuse.
It really is impossible to speak of the 2nd Amendment outside of the political, social, and historical context in which it exists. The American founders knew exactly what they were doing. They knew history and the tendencies of men.
 
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If new gun laws are tied to new sentencing guide lines like a MANDENTORY 25 years for using a fire arm in a crime, MANDENTORY life in prison for wounding someone, MANDENTORY death penality for murder, MANDENTORY 10 years for a felon cought with a gun, the whiney politicans will never pass it. It's might infringe on some criminal or nutjobs "rights"...
 
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The purpose of the so-called Task Force is to design a campaign against pro 2A members of Congress by proposing things that would generally sit well with gun owners and the general public. That's the way the 1994 AWB got passed by putting it into a larger crime bill that had wider support. If you didn't support the crime bill because of the AWB, then you cared more about the NRA than you did the safety of children and you hated cops too... blah blah blah. 2A supporters then spend their time defending themselves instead of aggressively attacking those who are attacking our freedoms.

National gun registration, gun bans, confiscation, FBI fingerprinting and photos... criminalizing the law-abiding... it's all right there in the Senator's bill. If we don't get out in front of this right now with an aggressive advertising campaign dramatizing the real effects on ordinary people and tarring every gun control advcate with it, but instead keep talking about federalizing security at our local elementary school... we may soon find ourselves wondering how another AWB passed.
 
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How to fight the NRA. Pass all sorts of new laws banning and taxing guns and ammunition, even in the face of SCOTUS and Heller. Laws and regulations you know contradict the high court's decision. Make the NRA go bankrupt fighting and suing each and every one of them.
This is one of the thoughts I've been having.
 
ESW said:
True but when it comes to gun legislation we are not worried about him "vetoing" a bill into law. We are concerned about him "signing" a bill into law.

Obama wants these laws and our buddies in congress just caved in on taxes, which will effect everyone that pays taxes. If you don't believe that, you are not paying attention to the fine details.

The House need to stand strong now on guns or they will be voted out of office and then even more Democrats will have even more power. That's really SCARY!
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Here's an honest question:

Do you think Romney would be doing anything different now if he was president? I honestly dont think so.

I think we can blame the media more than anyone else for this frenzy.

Note: and if someone wants to complain that this is a political post? This entire thread is...
 
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Here's an honest question:

Do you think Romney would be doing anything different now if he was president? I honestly dont think so.
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Honest answer... We'll never know.

What we do know is that this Administration told us over and over and over again that they intended to reinstate an AWB.
As crazy as it may sound now, some gun owners actually chose to not believe it, then criticized others as fear mongers. Hopefully they have learned something. All we can do now is join together and fight this Administration's efforts to further restrict gun ownership.

What Romney may or may have not done is nothing more than stirring partisan political discussion that does not in any way comply with the intent of the 2A forum.
 
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