Not Welcome in MD

[redlevel]

This is really a pretty disturbing article. On another board, someone tried to blame the wife, very unfairly, I thought. I don't know what my wife would do under the same circumstances. She knows I usually have a gun. Like this guy, if I had to travel through a state where my gun isn't welcome, I would leave it at home. Would my wife realize that under the stress of an officer bluntly questioning her?

I visit Savannah a few times a year usually. I will not cross into South Carolina because my gun isn't welcome there.

I wasn't exactly clear on how the MD officers determined the man had a license. I am guessing that maybe the ccw is linked to the DL number, and it showed up when they ran his license?

And isn't Maryland such a wonderful progressive state?

Jackson: Gun owner unarmed, unwelcome in Maryland

 

[aaorb104]

Why is your gun not welcomed in SC?

 

[forrestinmathews]

Blame the agency and hold the officer personally accountable for violating this man's rights. This was clearly an illegal search and attempted seizure, without any probable cause, performed by an idiot who should clearly be stripped of any and all authority, unless this kind of tyranny and fear is what the great state of Maryland wants to impart on all who pass through her borders. Say what you will, but people like that need to be removed from positions of authority, for the safety of the public. What if this genius had shot the motorist during his warrior cop tyranny stop? Or done some other physical harm? We the people should not live in fear of the government. Quite the contrary.

 

[redlevel]

Why is your gun not welcomed in SC?

SC doesn't recognize GA's Weapons License. To legally travel with a handgun in SC, I believe I would have to unload the firearm and separate it from its ammunition. SC is the only state bordering GA that doesn't reciprocate with us.

 

[shouldazagged]

That stinks on ice, and definitely constitutes unlawful search and seizure to my non-legally-trained eye. The officer in question should be severely disciplined and a formal apology issued by his agency.

There's a lesson here for gun owners with families, however. Coach them not to give unnecessary information, especially when the questions are part of a grilling that shouldn't be taking place. Tell them not to lie, but to volunteer nothing.

 

[Skeetr57]

In reply to Red Level: No concealed weapon permit is required in SC to carry a loaded handgun in the unlocked glove box or console of a vehicle.

 

[redlevel]

In reply to Red Level: No concealed weapon permit is required in SC to carry a loaded handgun in the unlocked glove box or console of a vehicle.

I knew there were some changes in 2012. Was that one of the regulations rescinded?

SC still does not reciprocate with GA on ccw. I believe the reason is that GA does not require a proficiency class for qualifying for a permit, just the background check.

 

[Bozz10mm]

Wonder what the officer's probable cause for the stop was. He ended up writing a warning to the motorist. What was that for.

 

[LoboGunLeather]

Detained for 90 minutes on the side of the road, subjected to pat-down searches, automobile emptied out and searched, all without probable cause or warrant? I call this an illegal arrest and unreasonable search, clear violations of this family's Constitutional rights.

Time to fire up the legal machine, let those bozos spend a few years marching back and forth to depositions and court hearings while they learn just how difficult it can be to get a mortgage or car loan while your credit report shows a pending multi-million dollar federal civil rights lawsuit. Then it will be the time to take their pension funds and file garnishments on their paychecks for the rest of their lives.

Examples need to be made.

 

[Ransom]

Wonder what the officer's probable cause for the stop was. He ended up writing a warning to the motorist. What was that for.

In the article comments the author said the warning was for speeding. He meant to include that detail but it got left out unintentionally.

 

[Hock]

Wonder what the officer's probable cause for the stop was. He ended up writing a warning to the motorist. What was that for.

In the comments section from the original news source the author realized he forgot to state the reason for the stop and subsequent warning. It was for speeding.....

 

[bluegrassarms]

Sounds like the officer was on a drug mule fishing expedition. Saw FL plates and followed the car, I'm betting ran the plates while he was trailing it, got nothing but decided to do the stop anyway.

Then he runs the license again fishing, finds the ccw and figures maybe he has it with him and can get busted for that. The big question being why he is so desperate to bust the guy when he's established he's not a criminal and is just on a trip in a nation where you supposedly don't need "papers" to travel wherever you choose.

IMO his wife was stupid for saying what she did, really stupid, b/c she did hand him just what he wanted, but the officer was over the line before he even got to talking to her. The stop itself was bogus in all probability and focusing on him having a ccw as "probable cause" to suspect he illegally had a gun in the car (not just had one, but had one illegally stored in that state) was another bogus leap. It's certainly an indication he may own a gun, but going from that to stripping the car like your'e looking for heroin is unacceptable IMO. To me that's no better reason than pulling over someone b/c of their race.

It's just my swag but the out of state plates and it being an interstate stop on apparently questionable grounds makes me think he's trolling for drug mules. He trumped up an excuse to pull them over and then latched onto his ccw in violation of his rights. I really hope this guy brings action against the officer and MD, esp if this is standard practice for this department b/c I resent him being singled out for being a ccw holder and I resent this trend to pull people over with out of state plates as if that constitutes some kind of probable cause in a free nation with freedom of association and assembly.

 

[gdnagle]

That stinks on ice, and definitely constitutes unlawful search and seizure to my non-legally-trained eye. The officer in question should be severely disciplined and a formal apology issued by his agency.

There's a lesson here for gun owners with families, however. Coach them not to give unnecessary information, especially when the questions are part of a grilling that shouldn't be taking place. Tell them not to lie, but to volunteer nothing.

Won't happen that's Md. they are a very anti state, that's why I left there years ago.

Detained for 90 minutes on the side of the road, subjected to pat-down searches, automobile emptied out and searched, all without probable cause or warrant? I call this an illegal arrest and unreasonable search, clear violations of this family's Constitutional rights.

Time to fire up the legal machine, let those bozos spend a few years marching back and forth to depositions and court hearings while they learn just how difficult it can be to get a mortgage or car loan while your credit report shows a pending multi-million dollar federal civil rights lawsuit. Then it will be the time to take their pension funds and file garnishments on their paychecks for the rest of their lives.

Examples need to be made.

90 minuets on New Years Eve eve, I hope they didn't leave them standing in the cold. But being Md I wouldn't be surprised of anything they do. The Transportation Authority Police are the worst of the MD LEO's, they only have a few miles to patrol, tunnels and bridges, and have nothing better to do then harass people. Got my wife one time for speeding and when she tried to talk to the so called officer the female officer trainee told he to shut up and tell it in court. She did but TAP didn't show up so she got off but didn.t get to tell how unprofessional the TSA was. My advice is stay out of MD if possible, I try to but have a few miles to pass through and it's a pain, stop unload lock in different locations and hope they under stand a truck doesn't have a trunk, travel 20 miles and stop and reload. MD doesn't give any leeway so I don't take a chance. They have a attitude now as the court's found their CCW policy to be unlawful but still no change.

 

[pawncop]

Terrible injustice. I will not blame the wife. I will blame a heavy handed moron that appears to be enforceing his own agenda.

Having not been there I know there are two sides to any story. The officer may have had experiences that biased his actions and there may have some probable cause but common sense and good judgement did not appear to rule on this day.

 

[16thVACav]

I knew there were some changes in 2012. Was that one of the regulations rescinded?

To the best of my recollection, that has been the law for at least 30 years.

 

[Doug M.]

We all need to remember that our family members need to understand their rights, and that silence is normally the best policy and to NEVER EVER consent to a search.

The officer and agency will not learn without a significant civil judgment. Since there is no real chance that a MD prosecutor would file a criminal charge, that's the only realistic answer.

 

[flintsghost]

Many states have their CCW's attached to the drivers license check. In those cases the driver would come up as a person of interest. Everyone should be aware of what their own state does. However, in all the states there would have to be probable cause to stop a passenger vehicle for anything. For commercial vehicles it varies as they are subject to variety of different laws and commercial vehicles may be subject to check by LEO's at any time for a variety of reasons. The news story has many missing facts that would be helpful to know.

 

[jtpur]

I believe here in FL an owners DL number is on the registration. Here is what I think happened.

Copper spots car SB I95. Noticed FL plates? All Floridians are dopers and sellers.

Copper runs plates. Name comes back with DL and he runs DL. All this while tailing them. FL records indicated owner has CCW.

In the Peoples Republic of Maryland owning guns is a hangin offense.

Copper pulls over Florida guy and wife unknowingly tosses husband under car. Copper harasses family looking for gun. I mean he'll, all dopers carry guns and all motorists from Florida are dopers, oh yeah it's probably illegal to have a gun in the tunnel in Maryland after all that .380 ammo could collapse the whole freakin' tunnel.

 

[Hodgin]

I wouldn't blame my wife at all. Guy may have been looking for excuse to search car. Sheriff's department around here does it all the time with a special unit assigned to patrol the interstate. They look for slightest violations and causally ask to search the vehicle.

Most people just say yes thinking they'll just have to hang around for a warrant and will have the vehicle searched anyway. They find alot of drugs that way. I don't know what would happen if someone refused the search.

 

[Geronimo Jim]

Maryland sucks bad. I left 10 years ago out of pure distain for all their liberal policies.