Nyclad 38 ammo

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Does anyone have any experience with this ammo? I've seen a few youtube vids that show expansion and weight retention are as close to perfect as I've ever seen. I get great groups and its the only standard pressure ammo that I carry (so far). Opinions, experiences etc...thanks
 
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That is impressive. Here is the link to the video, for anyone interested:

YouTube - Snub Expansion Test - Federal 125 Gr Nyclad HP

I myself have not tried this ammunition, but I'd be willing to give it a try if the price was right. I've always had good experiences with Federal brand ammunition.

How much does this ammo sell for retail in terms of price per round?
 
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It's similiar in price to other premium self defense ammo. 17-20 bucks for a box of 20. I actually tested them myself today. Kinda of a haphazard test but best I could do at the time. I fired several rounds into a block of very soft clay (kind of like the play do stuff from childhood days) Penetration seemed adequate (I didn't measure) Them cavity/wound channel it created was better then expected. Every single round expanded perfectly. I'm surprised this ammo hasn't become more mainstream.
 
I bought a bunch from Ammunition To Go a while back when it was re-released. I found it to be very accurate and somewhat dirty. It's a good choice for standard pressure Airweights.
 
Don't know if it's any different than the original, but I had issues with the blue coating getting stuck under the ejector star during reloads when I tried it in my M36 back in 91'.

Can't speak for the current batch.

My current carry is 135 GD & 110 DPX. The DPX has a pointy tip which should aid in reloading.
 
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Is nyclad ammo about the same as the original Black Talons?

If so, I shot a many round of it at the range and it was as accurate as I am.

Still got a couple hundred rounds of it in various calibers.
 
The Black Talons were made by Winchester. I think the current equivalent is the Ranger-T. At least I think that's the case--I have a few boxes of the Ranger-T's in .45 ACP and that was my impression when I bought them.

I'm currently using the 125 gr Nyclads in my Airweights. The tests I've seen showed them to have decent penetration and excellent expansion. I am beginning to appreciate lower recoil ammunition these days since my joints are not getting any younger.
 
This is from memory, but I can think of at least three variations of the Nyclad. The first was by Smith & Wesson, in the late '70s or early '80s (?). These had SWC type bullets and were available (I think) in two bullet weights, 125 and 158 gr. The 125 was a standard pressure load and was branded "Chiefs Special". It was directed toward the J frame market. Despite some favorable reviews in the gun rags, this load developed a poor reputation when tested in gelatin. It seems the bullet, which had a small, shallow, V-shaped hollowpoint, would only expand in media like water, clay, or ductseal, but not jello. I don't remember a darn thing about the 158...perhaps that weight was only manufactured later by Federal. I have seen boxes of the S&W Nyclad sell in the $100 range, so there must be some collector interest in it.

Federal purchased the rights to the brand twenty or so years back (again, memory not to be trusted). I bought two boxes early on, one 125 gr marked "Chiefs Special Nyclad" and one 158 gr marked simply "Nyclad". Neither was marked +P and they looked just like the S&W product except for the Federal headstamp. I gave the 125s to my mother for her M36. She finally shot the last of them a couple of years back on her 85th birthday.

Right after I bought the above, Federal changed the bullet on the 125 gr to a more rounded profile with a much deeper hollow point and a softer alloy. Shortly after that, Federal introduced a +P marked version with the same bullet profile, but a slightly harder alloy. Both of these bullets enjoyed good reputatuons for expansion, even in covered jello. The 158 gr must have been dropped early on. At least, I never saw another box after that first one purchased in the late '80s or early '90s.

For what ever reason, the Nyclads never became a hot item, even though the later Federal stuff seemed to work well. There was also a 124 gr 9mm that was well thought of, but never sold in large numbers. I don't remember Federal marketing the Nyclads as aggressively as they did the Hydroshocks. I always suspected that the profit margins were higher for the Hydroshocks, especially in goverment sales.

I assume, but don't know, that the current Nyclads are a reissue of the second generation Federal Chiefs Special load. If so, I'd carry them with out worry.

My 2 cents, and probably more than you wanted to know...

Charles
 
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38 Special ammo

I have just acquired a 4inch bull barreled Mdel 10. What would you guys recommend for a good SD load that is readily avaible? I used SB Gold Dots in my airweight. Right now i have some 148 grain TMJWC. I am wanting something with a lil more pop
 
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I second the Buffalo Bore FBI load in +P for 4" and longer barrels and their short-barrel standard pressure version for snubnose revolvers (which also shoots to POA in 2" barrels).
 
About a year ago I was lucky to score 2 full cases of the 158gr.Nyclad SWC-HP....Federal Premium 38 Special +P (P38G)...this stuff is great!!!!
I carry this in my 3" S&W 10...very easy shooting load.
 
Before ebay stopped selling reloading components, I bought 1K of mixed Nyclad bullets. There were 160 gr RN, 158 SWCHP and SWC. These were made by S&W.

I still have about 400 of em. I've loaded em for J frame carry ammo.
 
My experience with Nyclad ammo.

I've posted this in other threads, but I figured I'd post it here again since this is a Nyclad specific thread.

Back in 91' I shot my departments 36 round qual. course using Nyclad ammo in a 2" Model 36. This course required speed reloads. During the course, I had issues with the blue coating on the bullets coming off and getting lodged under the ejector star. This prevented the star from re-tracting back into the cylinder completely and prevented the closing of the cylinder.

I don't recall who the manufacturer was of the Nyclads I was using or if the design of these have changed since than. Nor am I bad mouthing the round. This is just the experience I had.

This was obviously alot of ammo put through this gun for it's intended SD purpose and may not represent a true SD scenario.

All I'm getting at (and this applies to any ammo carried for SD), is please make sure you test these rounds in your gun and any reloading scenario you think you might encounter to make sure there's no issues.
 
Used to use this when I could get it for my Chief's Spl. It was the only standard pressure .38 round that I found that had the characteristics I was looking for: easy on the j-frame, and nice expansion. Yeah, it was a bit dirty - but no biggy.
For some time, it was difficult to find. Glad to see it's back - hopefully in the same basic configuration.
 
For what ever reason, the Nyclads never became a hot item, even though the later Federal stuff seemed to work well. There was also a 124 gr 9mm that was well thought of, but never sold in large numbers. I don't remember Federal marketing the Nyclads as aggressively as they did the Hydroshocks. I always suspected that the profit margins were higher for the Hydroshocks, especially in goverment sales.

I assume, but don't know, that the current Nyclads are a reissue of the second generation Federal Chiefs Special load. If so, I'd carry them with out worry.

My 2 cents, and probably more than you wanted to know...

Charles

The Nyclad was intended to give LEOs the combination of an affordable practice round that reduced airborne lead in indoor ranges and an effective duty round.

According to Federal shortly after they acquired he rights and discontinued them , the Nyclad coating process was actually fairly complex and expensive , and had a high number of rejects. This led to these rounds being just as expensive to produce as jacketed bullets. Copper was pretty cheap back then. The recent sky hugh prices of copper obviously made the execs look at alternatives.

Plus , I think back in the trendy 90s , Nyclads just weren't as 'cool' as copper jacketed hollow points with names like Hydra-Shok , Black Talon , Golder Saber , etc.

I always liked and carried them in .38 Special and 9mm. The 124gr 9mm round was rated very highly by the Marshall/Sanow reports of actual shootings.

I also thought Federal missed the boat by not offering them in .380 and .45.
 
"I have just acquired a 4inch bull barreled Mdel 10. What would you guys recommend for a good SD load that is readily avaible? I used SB Gold Dots in my airweight. Right now i have some 148 grain TMJWC. I am wanting something with a lil more pop"

I have 3 4-inch revolvers in .38 Special. Go to "Georgia Arms", or "The Hunting Shack". My rounds that I bought from GA are all 158 gr., and are very good for your 'pop', without going +P. The Hunting Shack has the Nyclads, at times, for both .38 Special and 9mm. I do have some Nyclad rounds, but I cannot justify the money, for the latest nuclear multi-warhead polymer whizbang cartridges, when the "good ol' Lead SemiWadcutter", made great by Elmer Keith, can do it all. Besides, you mention 'hollowpoint' to any NEA-educated dweebs, and they get glazed eyes and slobber. You mention 'semiwadcutters', and they wave it off. A semiwadcutter hits, damages things, and flattens out, without a hole to fret if it gets clogged or not, and thereby has a design malfunction. All lead, all the time, damn the EPA!
 
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