Nyclads in 4 " revolver

[7shooter]

I have been using 125 grain standard pressure Nyclads in my light j frames. I am going to be spending several months in an apartment in a large urban area and am bringing a light j-frame for carry and 3" and 4 " Model 64's for my wife and myself in the apartment. Newspaper reports and friends who are retired cops from the city tell me there is a fair amount of crime around where I have to be living. What do you all think about Nyclads for the Model 64s ? I have read about how good standard pressure Nyclads are in snub guns and am thinking they might work well in longer revolvers. I am thinking about decreasing recoil for my wife and possibly lessening the possibility of over penetration for my neighbors. I haven't seen how the apartment is set up yet so haven't been able to visualize possible safe fields of fire.

Thanks.

 

[murphydog]

If you are confident and proficient with the gun/ammo combination, it should work fine. There is ammo marketed as low-penetrating (Glaser is the one brand that comes to mind), but I'm sure you'll know if that would be necessary once you see your new living space.

Do you have a valid CCW permit for the city in which you'll be living?

 

[7shooter]

Thanks Murphy. I have permits for two states including the one where I will be staying . They allow me to carry in around 37 states including WI which comes on line next. America is getting better and better. Hope the national reciprocity bill passes. Then it will allow me to travel through IL and some of the eastern states. Time for a road trip.

 

[Texas Star]

If you mean the Nyclad load once sold as the Chief Special round, it may not have integrity when fired from longer barrels. You may experience jacket-core separation or so much expansion that you lose vital penetration.

I think the 3" gun is okay and within the design parameters. Personally, I stoke my .38's with the lead HP Plus P loads or Speer's 125 grain JHP. I can't find their 135 grain short barrel load locally. I also have some Federal 129 grain Hydra-Shoks.

The only reason for the Chief Special load is to minimize stress on J-frames, especially light alloy frames. If you're using larger, all-steel guns, I'd step up to a warmer load. But it'll probably work, if well placed and if you don't have a really thick adversary.

Good luck in the new home. I hope all goes well for you.

 

[7shooter]

Texas Star ... That is the kind of information I'm interested in. At home I've been using Cor Bon + p's but have been concerned about the issues raised by living so close to others in an apartment. Thanks.

 

[APS]

Any non frangible 38 load will penetrate multiple sheets of drywall. Consider them all the same in that regard.

 

[papajohn428]

Unless you think a Home Invasion is a real possibility, I'd be more prepared for a street encounter, and arm yourself accordingly. Home invasions ARE on the rise in many places, but at such short distances, I'd worry more about preparedness, tactics and shot placement than which load to carry.

I don't guess that helps much, does it? But Glasers might be a good idea, if you're worried about endangering the neighbors. I carry the Speer Gold Dot 135-grain load on duty and off. Of course, off-duty I usually wear a 45!

 

[NE450No2]

Back in the mid to late 1970's when the issue gun for my Dept. was the 38 Special we had very good results with the Winchester 158gr Lead HP in actual shootings with 4" and 2" 38's...

I recommend you take a look at Buffalo Bores standard pressure 38 Special 158gr HP.
It is lower recoil and lower flash than +P.

You might want to but one box of their 158gr HP +P as well,just to give it a try.

Also how many years old is that Nyclad ammo???

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

If you mean the Nyclad load once sold as the Chief Special round, it may not have integrity when fired from longer barrels. You may experience jacket-core separation or so much expansion that you lose vital penetration.

I don't think that the Nyclad bullet will suffer jacket-core separation. It is not jacketed.

 

[wheelgun28]

As far as I know Nyclads were the duty round for the NYPD. They shot them in the 4" Model 64...

125 grain +P

I carry them in a Colt cobra

Yeah I know the ol Cobra wont handle +Ps

 

[7shooter]

Back in the mid to late 1970's when the issue gun for my Dept. was the 38 Special we had very good results with the Winchester 158gr Lead HP in actual shootings with 4" and 2" 38's...

I recommend you take a look at Buffalo Bores standard pressure 38 Special 158gr HP.
It is lower recoil and lower flash than +P.

You might want to but one box of their 158gr HP +P as well,just to give it a try.

Also how many years old is that Nyclad ammo???

The Nyclad is the new version that has apparently recently become available.

 

[pff]

Obviously some folks didn't read the part about 'reduced recoil for the wife' and keep plugging their favorite +P loads.

I clocked some of the original NyClad 125gr standard pressure loads in a 4" Model 10 and got something like 960FPS. The new stuff is SUPPOSEDLY the same but I haven't had a chance to check any. I suspect at that speed its not going to leave the body.

(They hit over 1000fps in a 6" K-38.)


Regards,

Pat

 

[sal1911a1]

NYPD

NYPD some years back used Federal 38 158 grain nyclads +p's hollowpoints, still have some boxes. Real good stuff.

They were not 125 grainers.

During the past few years they switched to Speer Gold dot 135 grain +p for all revolvers.

 

[NE450No2]

If someone really needs some good ammo with very light recoil in the 38 Snub Nose then many people recommend the standard factory 38 Special 148 gr full wadcutter target ammo.

It is a fairly heavy, flat nosed, full caliber, sharp shouldered, very low recoil bullet.

 

[IkenI]

New current production Nyclads are my preferred load for my wife's bedside gun. It's a NY1 3" DAO mdl 64. Extremely accurate. I don't have any drywall experience but it expanded well and passed thru the chest of a wild dog that came at me in the woods. The rare times I carry my 640-1 it is stoked with mid-range .357 loads.

 

[ArchAngelCD]

If it were me I would save the expensive Nyclads for my J frame and load the FBI Load in my K frames. BUT, if you have a good supply of Nyclads there's no reason not to load them in your K frames. I just happen to like the FBI Load better especially in a 3" or 4" revolver. I bought a few boxes of the Federal offering for use in my 4" M&P for only $21/box of 50 from Ammunition-To-Go.

 

[Texas Star]

I don't think that the Nyclad bullet will suffer jacket-core separation. It is not jacketed.

"Jacketed" in this case means Nylon jacketed. That's why the bullets look like they're coated in blue plastic.

I really doubt that the assembly will come unglued, but the bullet may expand from longer barrels enough to limit penetration, as compared to heavier .38 bullets.

Note the post here that says this load clocked over 1,000 FPS from a K-38. The data that I read on it as a snub load said that it was rated for about 860 FPS, if memory serves.

In gelatin tests, it expanded well at that speed.

 

[moxie]

Federal is currently selling a 125 gr. Nyclad, but not in +P. For +P they have a Hydrashok. The Nyclad is advertised as 830 fps MV. It should be just fine for your home defense guns, regardless of barrel length.

 

[photoman]

I am going to be spending several months in an apartment in a large urban area and am bringing a light j-frame for carry and 3" and 4 " Model 64's for my wife and myself in the apartment. Newspaper reports and friends who are retired cops from the city tell me there is a fair amount of crime around where I have to be living. What do you all think about Nyclads for the Model 64s ?

For apartment living, consider either MagSafe or Glaser. Test with your gun for accuracy. Recoil should be minimal but let your wife shoot some too as the blast can be a bit much with these light/fast loads.

For J frame concealed carry, just use what you would normally use. I recommend CorBon DPX. You could also switch to Glaser or MagSafe in the J frame at night when you get home.

 

[gunlovingirl]

I don't think you'd have any problems with Nyclads in 3 or 4 inchers. I know I'd hate to be on the receiving end of one, or more.