catcher79
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In the Coen Brothers remake of True Grit, Mattie Ross first talks to Rooster about the quest to find Chaney, he is trapped in the outhouse.
Observation on Westerns
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I question that many of the sheriffs would pass a background check today.
Maybe you folks can answer this conundrum for me. In many Westerns, the cowboys ride or swim their horses across deep rivers. When they come out of the water on the other side, they immediately continue riding on their trip. It seems like to me being in water like that would fill their boots to the brim!
Their six guns, rifles, and shotguns all got soaking wet. I guess back then, ALL their boots were made with holes in them for the water to drain out, and their firearms were made so they would drip dry immediately without damage!
Larry
Their six guns, rifles, and shotguns all got soaking wet. I guess back then, ALL their boots were made with holes in them for the water to drain out, and their firearms were made so they would drip dry immediately without damage!Larry
Alpo
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Something I noticed was that Indians never carried pistols. I was sort of stunned the first time I saw this picture. This is Geronimo's pistol, that he surrendered when he was captured.
The only time I've seen an Indian with a pistol in a western movie was a modern Western called Thunderheart. Val Kilmer was a half Sioux FBI agent that was sent to the oglala reservation, where he meets Graham Greene, a tribal policeman. Greene rides a motorcycle, not a horse, wears blue jeans, a T-shirt and a leather vest, and under the vest there is a 1911 in a shoulder holster.
The only time I've seen an Indian with a pistol in a western movie was a modern Western called Thunderheart. Val Kilmer was a half Sioux FBI agent that was sent to the oglala reservation, where he meets Graham Greene, a tribal policeman. Greene rides a motorcycle, not a horse, wears blue jeans, a T-shirt and a leather vest, and under the vest there is a 1911 in a shoulder holster.
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Maybe you folks can answer this conundrum for me. In many Westerns, the cowboys ride or swim their horses across deep rivers. When they come out of the water on the other side, they immediately continue riding on their trip. It seems like to me being in water like that would fill their boots to the brim!
Larry
Many Westerns, old & modern, require a suspension of disbelief when watching. Much like cop shows & movies. Except Beverly Hills Cop, that was totally legit..............
Being a student of western history and culture, I have read many diaries, letters home, news accounts, military assessments. The native American carried handguns at every opportunity they had to acquire them. I have read many accounts of Indians going into battle with captured handguns. They just don't show it in the movies. Just read an account from Custer himself, recounting finding an elevated Indian grave and he listed of all the items "buried" with the man. Besides bow, arrows, spear, and other things that will be needed in the afterlife, he listed a rifle and pistol with the other possessions.
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For a real hoot rent Rustlers Rhapsody. Pokes fun at all the B Western cliches.
I was shocked...shocked I say... the first time I saw the outdated cultural depiction warning on a western...I had no idea!!! I thought EVERYONE west of the Mississippi shot Indians, beat their wives, and carried shovels everywhere they went to bury all the bodies they came across in their daily travels.
Slim Pickens shot a six shooter the same way. I was told that in real life in the era of cap and ball revolver this method was used where the fired caps would not fall back into the hammer opening and jam the cylinder ??
My buddy's mom went back to Baltimore in the '80s to visit relatives. They asked if she had indoor plumbing and much trouble with the indians. 1980's, by the way.
Alpo
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You are correct sir. Cap and ball shooters would do that with Colt revolvers to keep pieces of fired cap out of the action. And when they taught their children how to shoot they taught them the same way, even though by then they were using cartridge firearms.
When they started making movies, they needed somebody to teach the actors how to shoot, and that's how the teachers knew how to shoot so that's how they taught the actors to shoot, and that's why everybody did it in old westerns.
And these days everyone laughs about it. "What did they think they're doing? Throwing the bullet??"
pomonapete
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my dad enjoyed the westerns where the hero used a belt-fed Colt .45.
There is an outhouse scene in "The Missouri Breaks".
What's all the obsession with outhouses? BTW, Tonto carried a revolver way back when! Gunsmoke is still timeless entertainment.
Also in Young Guns and Unforgiven.
Maybe he would not be so violent he used the potty first!
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