"OEM" Model 59 magazine questions

[Sevens]

Nor were there any S&W markings on our issue 1006 mags.

Never say never, we always say with S&W, but I will say that you are mistaken with this one. If not, and I am the one mistaken, it would be the FIRST evidence I’ve seen of a non-marked S&W 10mm magazine, and I’ve been playing with them since 1994.

To be fair to the discussion...
The marking that I’m certain you have missed is the “Smith & Wesson” visible on the very bottom of the floorplate, in the front half-moon cutout.

I have seen a faked floorplate with the cutout and no “Smith & Wesson” in it, but I’ve never seen it on a 10mm magazine.

 

[oldman10mm]

I have never seen (and not saying they don't exist) a S&W 10mm magazine that wasn't marked in some way/some place with 'S&W'. I have never seen (in person) the extended 10mm mags or the 'prototypes', so I can't speak of those.

 

[Racer X]

I've had probably a dozen 9mm 69XX, 59XX, 59 models over the years. They were all gone until yesterday when I bought a 915 off a local gun forum that came with only one orig mag. No big deal says I because I got a deal on the gun. Who ate all the orig magazines, I don't remember a problem in the past. After lookin around on the net I settled for a MecGar 17rd. I recently purchased a KT P11 new. It's the last of the indigenous natives cause KT don't make them no mo. I found a 6904 mag in my "stuff" box and it works fine in my P11. I had a P11 a long time ago and I remember aftermarket 6906 mags would not fully seat in the gun. I recently got a Beretta 92fs that came with 2 factory mags and 4 MecGars. Are you saying the 92 mags could be modified to fit the 915?

Absolutely. And since the mag retaining slot is on the other side, it can work in either platform.

 

[rosewood]

Nor were there any S&W markings on our issue 1006 mags.

Sounds like some pics are in order...

 

[rosewood]

My takeaway is the OP was willing to pay for original period correct/produced mags at the price they were being sold for. He over paid for mags that did not fit that description. On the other note, they are good mags.

That packaging is definitely not S&W packaging that I have seen though. And I can see to the non-aficionado, with the mag being stamped with the S&W logo, one would think they are OEM.

Rosewood

 

[4T5GUY]

That packaging is definitely not S&W packaging that I have seen though.

Actually I have seen that packaging, or very close to it. Definitely not the normal plastic clamshell type.

Jim

 

[PeteC]

I agree with the OP, it was deceptive advertising. Can he do anything about it? Probably not, but he is right calling them out on this.

 

[PeteC]

I poked around a little, and found more of the same by that seller. The most blatant is a Model 15 listed as a 15-3, which turns out to be a 15-4 on examination. The pictures are darkened, but can be downloaded and digitally enhanced (don't ask) to show what it is. Even without that, you can still glimpse a "4" in one of the pics. The gun also looks like it may be reblued, although the last part can't be verified without handling it. It is listed as a "S&W 15-3 Square Butt 38 Special"."The listing also states "These aren't stock images- the photos below are of the actual S&W for auction.."

So, yeah, buyer beware!

 

[JcMack]

Absolutely. And since the mag retaining slot is on the other side, it can work in either platform.

Mr. X,

Sorry for not getting back sooner to thank you. So thanks for that tip.

Jim

 

[Rick H.]

Interesting discussion for sure. I have to agree with the OP on this one. When you use words like "O.E.M." or "Genuine Factory Replacement Part" you are insinuating that it came from Smith and Wesson, not Mec-Gar. I have dealt with this issue more times than I care to admit when restoring old motorcycles because in many instances original factory replacement parts work best. I personally feel that saying something is a "factory" item when it never saw the factory is deceptive advertising and it should be called out so others know what they are potentially facing. Stuff like this just muddies the water and makes it more difficult to find the correct parts you want.

Rick H.

 

[ElectroMotive]

If you need/want factory 59 mags, holler at me in PM

 

[FUBAR-M1A]

I would leave negative feedback for the seller.

Also, that packaging is exactly how CDNN has packaged every police trade in magazine I received from them in the past 10+ years. It didn’t matter if it was Glock, S&W, H&K, etc, they were all packaged like that & had the manufacturer name across the top.

 

[ace22]

Thank you for the input. It was pretty clear that Mec-Gar made these mags for S&W under an arrangement, but as you remarked, I don't think this occurred during the period the Model 59 was made.

haven't been around much lately, i didn't read the whole thread because i'm short on time but i wanted to say that i 100% confirm that those mags were not made during the time period that 59s and 459s were made.
if that seller was honest he should have advertised them as 59 series mags which would cover 59s, 459s, 5904s, etc.

that and at $80 each he gouged you, those mags aren't worth half that price, i would be very mad if that happened to me.

btw, i might have a couple real original factory mags that i would be willing to sell for much less than $80 each if you're still looking. pm me if interested but it could be a few days before i pass through here again.

 

[oldman10mm]

A month ago I was selling 59 mags for $35 shipped. After this weekend's Akron show I'll probably start another 'mags for sale' thread.

 

[oldman10mm]

Picked up 12 magazines (a variety but mostly 45s') at today's Akron show. Going back tomorrow.

 

[WR Moore]

Never say never, we always say with S&W, but I will say that you are mistaken with this one. If not, and I am the one mistaken, it would be the FIRST evidence I’ve seen of a non-marked S&W 10mm magazine, and I’ve been playing with them since 1994.

To be fair to the discussion...
The marking that I’m certain you have missed is the “Smith & Wesson” visible on the very bottom of the floorplate, in the front half-moon cutout.

OK, I'll be having boiled crow for dinner tonight. It's been probably a decade since I've looked at that item. I was apparently generalizing from all the 5906 mags I've seen in the factory packaging. The only marking on them is an S that I assume is for "stainless".

However, the circled S&W is on the lower sides of the 10 mm magazine body and very faint, have to have the mag tilted just right to see it. If there's anything on the bottom of the plastic baseplate, I can't see it. There's a dot in the center of that half moon dimple. OTOH, the only mag I looked at was one of the three that came with the gun new in 1992. I'm not going to dig out the others.