Ohio Police Encounter - Notification

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Something I've been seeing over the past few days is a trickle of posts in various places basically portraying the victim as a "wimp" for not shouting over the cop to notify.

One of the stranger examples was a guy who castigated the victim for not talking over the cop, then in the SAME post characterized Harless as "dangerously insane". Now let me get this straight, I'm supposed to ignore the direct orders of, and shout over, an ARMED man who is acting as though he's "dangerously insane". YOU first.

I suspect that the vast majority of those saying that the victim should have shouted over the hysterical cop ALSO say that you should NEVER "argue with a cop by the side of the road" over the law, even when the cop is dead wrong.

Well... I guess I would have to disagree with both sides.

I give the driver a pass for the first 6min until the cop approached the driver side of the car and opened the door. At that point the driver could have easily said [I have a gun permit and I am legally carrying a gun]. Instead, the driver babbled about where he was going, where he worked or used to work, that he got laid off, trying to find a number, trying to find a truck, he knew the girl from the past... blah blah blah... from 6:03 to 6:55. The driver did not notify until the cop noticed something in the driver's hand (I guess it was the permit) and asked about it. At that point the driver said he had a gun at around 6:55. It was at that time the cop began screaming and going hysterical. Before then, the cop wasn't screaming and hysterical. I heard what the driver was saying from 6:03 to 6:55 and the driver was not shouting. The notion that the driver could not have notified without having to shout over a screaming hysterical cop simply isn't the case.

 

[oldman45]

Sorry, no answers until you clear up the backlog of questions that people have asked you, starting with with your basis for calling me a "lawbreaker".

Go back and read your own postings. It will answer the question you ask of me.

You may not be a killer, a thief or such but even some of the things you have posted are anti law.

 

[kennyb]

What amazes me is that this officer ranted on like this , knowing full well it was being recorded. Or does the PD routinely erase dash-cam footage that may embarrass it.

i'll adopt your misinformed,stereotypical view with....no...the pd does not erase...only the guys in the navy do that

 

[kennyb]

The overwhelming majority of people try to do right. That's why the notification law in those states is so terrible. It has no effect on criminals and needlessly sets up honest people for trouble. It sure seems anti-American that someone has to give out info, within seconds, without even being asked, or risk arrest, jail time, or execution. It's also anti-American to use the "well I'm just following the law." I wish you would have justified the law so I'd at least you where you're coming from. Now I can only assume things.

wow....it's certainly obvious that you have no dealing with the criminal justice system...you know of someone that has been executed for not advising they had a weapon?
anti-american...for following the law??
if you dont care for a law...work to have it changed...the police dont pick and choose to enforce some laws and not others..it's unclear to me what you are left to assume (to quote you)open your state code book and read the law that has you so confused

 

[cmort666]

Go back and read your own postings. It will answer the question you ask of me.

That's not an answer.

You said I was a "lawbreaker".

What "law" have I broken?

You may not be a killer, a thief or such but even some of the things you have posted are anti law.

What does that mean? Do you even know?

As I said, you're long on assertions and accusations and short on proof.

You've accused me of being a criminal. That demands proof.

 

[redlevel]

I hate to say it but it appears some here are young with attitudes. Those in that group will not have their permits long. Seen it too often. They carry where they should not, they get an attitude with an officer on a traffic stop, they try to be an officer when they see a fight brewing while out with their girlfriends, wives or best buds to impress. I have the stats for a couple states as to why permits were suspended or revoked. The reasons are almost predictable. Yet you cannot tell these young guys about it. They have tunnel vision and it will be a few years before they vision is broadened.

Hmmmm . . . . this is as offensive as it would be if I had posted;

"I hate to say it, but it sounds to me like oldman45 has the typical power-trip attitude a lot of cops have. He is probably too old to still be working, and he has that 'knock heads, take names, what I say goes on this highway, boy, you got what rights I say you got' attitude that was so common 40 years ago when he started. They get a belligerent attitude with every citizen they stop and take out their frustrations from home on those citizens. They want to impress the young guys who have been assigned to work with them with how tough they still are. They like to provoke confrontations with unsuspecting citizens just to impress the young guys."

I'm 62 years old, I abide by the laws of every state I go through, and I have been carrying for more than 40 years without having a run-in with a LEO. In fact, all the interactions I have had with them regarding carry have been good.

I would never post the things in italics about oldman45 for real, because I don't believe they are a true characterization of him. I just hate it that he takes the attitude that those of us who disagree with him are scofflaws, braggarts, and otherwise flawed and untrustworthy individuals.