OK. My turn. Hate to do it.

[Art Doc]

But I need some help pricing some inherited guns that will be sold. I know I could put them on Gunbroker but I thought I would try selling locally first (if I can still do that after today). Some suggestions on real world values would be appreciated.

Winchester Model of 1912 pump 12 gauge with 32" full choke barrel. Very good but not perfect condition. I make it as made in 1950.

Mossberg 12 gauge semi auto Model 5500 MKII shotgun with 28" vent barrel and modified choke. Hardly shows any use. Not a popular model and discontinued after only a couple years so I figure it ain't worth much.

Remington Model 700 rifle in 30-06 with a lower end scope on it. Don't know the difference between ADL and BDL this one has the blind magazine and I think the lower end model. Looks almost perfect except for one bad chip in pistol grip of stock.

 

[BigBill]

Winchester model 12 between $250 / $325
Mossberg auto, check ga,go,aa for prices
Rem 700 '06 $400

 

[Maddog 521]

I looked at 2 Model 12's yesterday. A 16ga and a 12ga and both showed wear and patina. Both had a hang tags on them that said $870.00. Now I know that's high but I'm just reporting what I saw.

 

[mauser9]

Hey Saxon. I would say about $450 to $500 on that Winchester Model 12. Good old steel receiver. The Remington 700 with the blind magazine sounds like an ADL. Still a good quality piece with real walnut. I would say get at least $450 or a bit more. Consignment not a bad idea.

 

[Stephanie B]

I use the "advanced search" option on GB and check for completed actions that have more than a couple of bids.

 

[model70hunter]

I too think it is an ADL and I've seen them around $500.

The Model 12's are a pricing conundrum. One shop owner may think he is sitting on gold and have it priced high waiting for someone who flat out doesn't know a fair price and impulse buys it.

I have seen a few nice ones at $750, but had ribs and solida nd very nice blue.

I bought a 16 gauge under 400 I think it was 350 2 years ago. Very clean and nice.

3 years go I bought 2 in STL at a LGS before I retired. an average one for 200 and a 3" heavy duck very clean with a red pad added for about 250. I did an even trade on the 3" and still use the average 2 3/4" mod choked one. It is pretty lethal on doves.

Did a quick search on GB, they have 15 listed, only 1 had a bid, $100.

2 appear to gave been started at $300 ish and have no bids. A bunch have started at $100 nd have no bids.

So I'm thinking if you start at 275-300 and get 250-300 you might do well.

 

[daddy bear]

Consignment may be the only way to go after today. Shop around. I sold a considerable estate several years ago, and the seller's asking cut ranged from 10% at a nice gun store 20% at another, 30% at one and Cabela's wanted 40%.

The 10% guy has a good clientel and did a fine job for me. There were several nice pieces worth between $1000 and $5000.

Jack

 

[mauser9]

Glad someone agrees. Guns like these with real walnut and high polish bluing plus attention to detail should be worth more than some of the matte finished tupperware today. Often made from forgings and not stamped parts like today. I often suggest checking for used models like these rather than buying new stuff. Besides some rifles don't see much usage and can be had for a decent price on the used market.

 

[Art Doc]

I checked GB for similar guns and most are languishing with no bids. I thought the 12 might be worth more but then I recalled they were made until 1972. How many millions of them are out there? Same with the 700.

Well, I'll do the best I can. Fortunately it's not an emergency and nobody is desperate for the cash. Just some guns with no purpose I'd like to see go to good homes.

 

[DWalt]

There is probably no finer pump gun than the Model 12. In fact, the Model 12 ceased production when Winchester prostituted their product line in 1964, but the Model 12 continued to be assembled on what was more or less a custom shop basis until the early 1970s. Certain types of the Model 12 (such as the Duck Gun) are more desirable and bring better prices. While they are as good today for hunting as they ever were, the market now is mainly limited to Model 12 collectors, not hunters, and one has to be fairly special and in prime condition for a collector to be interested. I'd say $300 to $400 for one in very good condition is a reasonable expectation, obviously less if in lower condition. If it is stamped "Model of 1912" it is much older than 1950.

With the internal box magazine, the Model 700 is an ADL. With any kind of scope on it, maybe $300-$400 also. For some reason, rifles in .30-'06 are a tough sell. Maybe because it seems so old-fashioned to many shooters. That's really a stupid opinion, as there is no better caliber for any North American hunting.

I wouldn't even guess what the Mossberg should bring.

 

[Big Stick]

A Mdl 12 with a 32" full choked bbl may bring a premium from trap shooting purists, depending on the quality/condition of the wood, and finish....

 

[k22fan]

Saxon P.

Reconsider your timing. Would you try to sell a canoe or a pair of water skis now? The value of common hunting guns is seasonal. If you do not think you’d enjoy taking them to the range then oil them well and store them until at least mid August. The prime time for selling these is the week before their respective hunting seasons open.

FWIW, probably not much, 4 to 8 years ago I bought an excellent condition 12 gauge Mossberg 5500 with a walnut stock and fully rifled barrel in a gun store for approximately $250. It was not close to deer season.

 

[Art Doc]

I think it does say Model of 1912 but the serial places it in 1950. I dunno. My mother in law (this was her dad's gun) says she remembers him having it in the late 1940s or early 1950s.

I see the "Heavy Duck" tag. Is that what this is? No such stamping but it does have a 32" full choke barrel and 3" chamber.

It looks to be in great shape. Wood is excellent, no dings or rust on metal, doesn't look used hardly at all. One scrape in finish on edge of receiver where barrel rotates for assembly.

Someone asked for photos. Quick cellphone shots all I have.

 

[DWalt]

Winchester changed the terminology from "Model of 1912" to "Model 12" just after WWI. I have a first year Model of 1912 in 20 gauge (the 20 gauge version was the first made), and is so marked. I also have a 1941 Model 12 field grade in 12 gauge, and it is marked "Model 12". The "Heavy Duck" is a fairly desirable variation, and worth a premium. It has a 30" or 32" barrel and is chambered for 3" shells, made from 1935 onward. It appears that is what you have. It is not a good idea to take it duck hunting today, as steel shot now required for migratory bird hunting will tear up the choke.

 

[model70hunter]

If it says 3" it is the Heavy duck. If it is 32" it will bring more. I bought one of these in an LGS 3-4 years ago for 250'ish, some one brought in a ton of estate guns and was told to moved them asap.

Of all the 12 gauge hunting guns this one is very prized by trap shooters, turkey hunters and collectors.

You are now talking the 750 range and up.

Can you do a close up of the bbl inscription, it will have more information concerning ammo.

They Heavy Duck, HD, was heavier than a regular model 12 concerning weight. In actuality the guns were from the same action and only had a larger ejection port.

I have read of frankenguns, regular M-12's opened up for the 3". Also if it says Model of 1912 did someone mix parts? The gun Model 1912 was discontinued and changed to Model 12 in 1919.

 

[Art Doc]

Here's what it says on the barrel:

Made in New Haven, Conn U.S. of America

Winchester Proof Steel

Model 12-12 GA-3 in. Cham.

For Super Speed and Super X

FULL

Serial appears on bottom of receiver and is repeated on underside of barrel. The numbers match.

1222289

The wood is really fantastic looking walnut. Old dent in left side of butt but otherwise nearly perfect. I'd say overall condition of metal and wood is 95% which ain't bad for a hunting gun from at least 65 years ago.

 

[DWalt]

No question about what it is. That one shouldn't be too tough to sell in that condition.

 

[model70hunter]

Here's what it says on the barrel:

Made in New Haven, Conn U.S. of America

Winchester Proof Steel

Model 12-12 GA-3 in. Cham.

For Super Speed and Super X

FULL

Serial appears on bottom of receiver and is repeated on underside of barrel. The numbers match.

1222289

The wood is really fantastic looking walnut. Old dent in left side of butt but otherwise nearly perfect. I'd say overall condition of metal and wood is 95% which ain't bad for a hunting gun from at least 65 years ago.

I've owned 4 or 5 and that is the bbl inscription.

 

[Drm50]

Win 12s are going for average of $350 around here. The 3" Duck
and 20 gauge guns $450. Factory ribs ect, will add value. These
are prices for nice shooters.
What really makes me sick is that Mossberg in like condition will
bring about the same money.
700 ADL in 30/06 & 270 go for $350-$400, but slow sell. Just
sold 270 a month ago for $400, but had set on it since spring.
Last auction I went to there was 1/2 dozen good hunting grade
m-12s in 12 & 16 g averaged $250, then a couple used Moss
500s/ Camo, they brought $350. Disgusting, new generation
wouldn't recognize a quality gun if they were shot with it. On
the other hand Win 97s have new market because of Cowboy
game.

 

[DWalt]

"Win 97s have new market because of Cowboy
game. "

Not exactly new, as CAS has been around for the past 20 years. Last year I sold a very nice condition Win M97 12 Gauge with a 28" barrel to some guy who was going to take a hacksaw to that pristine barrel for CAS use. It about killed me to sell it for $300. That was my CAS shotgun, but I never felt the need to shorten the barrel. It worked fine the way it was.