OK Texans this is the Bill to Support.

[ladyT]

LadyT,

I know you fancy yourself as somewhat in-the-know, and were previously lecturing us hillbillies in Tennessee and elsewhere that we didn't know what we were talking about regarding Texas and open carry.

How is it that you had it so wrong?

6/14/2014

I did not expect the Texas Senate to overthrow their tradition of the 2/3 rule where 2/3 of its members were required to move a bill forward. In this term with 20 republicans and 11 democrats I guess the republicans had no other choice as they were one vote short. In a State where tradition rules this was unthinkable. So that is why I got it wrong. Republicans did the unthinkable.

 

[Old TexMex]

I did not expect the Texas Senate to overthrow their tradition of the 2/3 rule where 2/3 of its members were required to move a bill forward. In this term with 20 republicans and 11 democrats I guess the republicans had no other choice as they were one vote short. In a State where tradition rules this was unthinkable. So that is why I got it wrong. Republicans did the unthinkable.

So it was those pesky Republicans and not the wild eyed maniacs screaming about the Constitutional Right to Keep and Bear Arms!
All makes sense now....

 

[GaryS]

They took a page from Dirty Harry Reid's play book. Once that Genie was out of the magic lantern, there was no reason for any Republican controlled Senate not to do the same.

I did not expect the Texas Senate to overthrow their tradition of the 2/3 rule where 2/3 of its members were required to move a bill forward. In this term with 20 republicans and 11 democrats I guess the republicans had no other choice as they were one vote short. In a State where tradition rules this was unthinkable. So that is why I got it wrong. Republicans did the unthinkable.

 

[ladyT]

So it was those pesky Republicans and not the wild eyed maniacs screaming about the Constitutional Right to Keep and Bear Arms!
All makes sense now....

There is a simple fact you should be aware of. Before the republicans broke with tradition all it took was 11 votes to block any bill and if that requirement was in place today not a single gun bill would have made it out of the Senate. As a result of breaking with tradition the republican Texas Senate now no longer needs a 2/3 majority to move a bill, now just a simple majority is all that is needed.

 

[RobzGuns]

Before the republicans broke with tradition all it took was 11 votes to block any bill and if that requirement was in place today not a single gun bill would have made it out of the Senate. As a result of breaking with tradition the republican Texas Senate now no longer needs a 2/3 majority to move a bill, now just a simple majority is all that is needed.

This is exactly why I originally didn't think any of this sessions 2A Bills would make it... I was unaware that it no longer took a 2/3 majority vote and while I knew the Rs controlled both the State Senate & House, I didn't think there there would be enough D votes to get the (old) 2/3 majority.

 

[CaptRon956]

Me personally I feel nervous about having unlicensed carry of any form, at least down here in this part of the state.
The reason why I say that is because I live right on the border with mexico & the crime & baloney from across IS making its way on our side and at least with the CHL, one must go thru state & federal background checks first and in addition, must prove residency status. Last thing we want is a cartel member walking around HEB open carrying and no one is going to question if he has a chl or not?

I feel nervous of having a legal unlicensed carry in our state, at least down here along the border... I support the 2nd amendment and I fully support open carry, but for CHL holders...

 

[b_san]

I support the 2nd amendment and I fully support open carry, but for CHL holders...

I'm not a Texan however when it comes to the 2nd Amendment there is no "but", you either support the right to keep AND bear arms or you don't.

People carrying guns shouldn't worry you no matter who they are, it's what they do with them that would or would not be the issue. But that part aside, the people who you are concerned about will not give a rats patoot about any laws requiring them to get a permit.

 

[Old TexMex]

There is a simple fact you should be aware of. Before the republicans broke with tradition all it took was 11 votes to block any bill and if that requirement was in place today not a single gun bill would have made it out of the Senate. As a result of breaking with tradition the republican Texas Senate now no longer needs a 2/3 majority to move a bill, now just a simple majority is all that is needed.

And if my Grandmother had wheels, she would've been a wagon.

i won't argue with you, you were wrong. So what?

What's really important is that you understand the strength of public opinion regarding our Constitutional Rights.
Breaking with tradition is the whole bloody point of the Open Carry movement. The tradition of deprivation of Constitutional Rights.
They have been planning on doing it for a long time (changing the rules) I knew it, it's been in the news, it was changed back in January and it wasn't a surprise. We've been trying for the change since the Killer Bees pulled their trick. It's why Patrick got the job of Lt. Gov.

 

[Old TexMex]

For those who were taken by surprise at this "sudden and unexpected" rule change, here's a link that gives history. Gun rights, and property rights, particularly among the rural Texas population were strong influences.
Texas Senate Tosses 'Two Thirds' Rule

Quote from:In a statement provided to Breitbart Texas, Patrick "applaud[ed] the action by the Texas Senate today," mentioning how he had opposed the two-thirds rule since he was first elected in 2007 and calling it a "bold decision."

I'm Going to say though this is politics, it is directly associated with our 2A struggle here in Texas, both against those who will totally strip us of our right to keep and bear, and those who are quislings in the gun ownership population.

 

[saturner1]

I have been calling every Rep. and Sen. that I can to get the house bill heard in the Senate committee and passed out to the Senate. I think the HB is better with the amendment than the Senate bill. We only have 2 weeks to get this thing done. I do not like bundling the campus carry and open carry together. Just my thoughts and mho.

I do urge anyone that wants (or not wants) open carry to start calling and emailing.

Steve

 

[Calaveras Slim]

I have been calling every Rep. and Sen. that I can to get the house bill heard in the Senate committee and passed out to the Senate. I think the HB is better with the amendment than the Senate bill. We only have 2 weeks to get this thing done. I do not like bundling the campus carry and open carry together. Just my thoughts and mho.

I do urge anyone that wants (or not wants) open carry to start calling and emailing.

Steve

Like you, I don't care about putting these 2 bills together. Hard enough to pass the one and now the second.

I really don't care about the campus carry bill. To me, that would be too narrow in scope to attract much support. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

[Old TexMex]

I concur, Slim.
Jim

 

[TexasArmed]

OK I put this off and put this off and put this off. I don't plan on open carrying and was not happy with over bearing display of proponents of Texas Open Carry. But I believe that if they
want to open carry and are licensed they ought to be able to
do it, seeing that 44 other States have Open Carry. I doubt it
being a good idea, but I think they are right. The Constitution
also never said anything about a permit, and I understand that
if it passes it will be just for CHL holders.

So finally I signed the petition to support Open Carry in Texas
although I don't plan on anything but concealed carry.
I feel that it ought to be done, and signed already.

 

[the ringo kid]

Me personally I feel nervous about having unlicensed carry of any form, at least down here in this part of the state.
The reason why I say that is because I live right on the border with mexico & the crime & baloney from across IS making its way on our side and at least with the CHL, one must go thru state & federal background checks first and in addition, must prove residency status. Last thing we want is a cartel member walking around HEB open carrying and no one is going to question if he has a chl or not?

I feel nervous of having a legal unlicensed carry in our state, at least down here along the border... I support the 2nd amendment and I fully support open carry, but for CHL holders...

Thats all the more reason to have open carry.A friend of mine--Ed--lives in Laredo and is a teacher. He lives a very short distance from the border--maybe two to three blocks?? He hears gunfire across the border almost every day.Also,about two years ago--Eds car windows were shot out by ""stray-fire"" coming from the other side.

 

[Calaveras Slim]

Well, the Texas Senate passed the Open Carry bill, H.B. 910 yesterday. Sent it to the full Senate for a vote. I expect it to pass and then on to Governor Abbott(I think). He said he would sign it.

Hopefully we get what we have fought for, for the last 6 years.


FINALLY

 

[RobzGuns]

I gotta ask... The official page doesn't list a vote happening yesterday (5/18th).
Where did you read that there was a vote and it passed?

The last 3 official actions It does list (newest to oldest) at: Texas Legislature Online - 84(R) Actions for HB 910
are:

Reported favorably as substituted 05/19/2015
Testimony taken in committee 05/18/2015
Considered in public hearing 05/18/2015

 

[DWalt]

05/19/2015 S Committee report printed and distributed: May 19 2015 5:45PM
Caption Version: Senate Committee Report
Caption Text: Relating to the authority of a person who is licensed to carry a handgun to openly carry a holstered handgun; creating criminal offenses.
Author: Phillips | Flynn | White, James | Riddle | Guillen

Now must go to full Senate vote, also full house must vote on measure as amended.

 

[Hank108]

As of 5/19/15 HB910 is out of committee favorably but they removed the Dutton amendment, so it has to goes back to the Senate floor for a up/down vote.

HB910 is now on the Senate's regular order of business calendar for tomorrow (20 May)

Assuming it passes the Senate vote it goes back to the House for a simple yes/no vote. If it passes then it Gov. Abbott's desk for his signature.

 

[the ringo kid]

Well, the Texas Senate passed the Open Carry bill, H.B. 910 yesterday. Sent it to the full Senate for a vote. I expect it to pass and then on to Governor Abbott(I think). He said he would sign it.

Hopefully we get what we have fought for, for the last 6 years.


FINALLY

He said: "If it gets to my desk? im signing."

Im wondering if that dem from San Antonio--finally gave up his one idiot war on this???

 

[Calaveras Slim]

vote in the senate to day, but they adjourned without doing anything about it.