OK Texans this is the Bill to Support.

Since the OC via Belt part requires an Active Retention device, I picked up on a Serpa CQC paddle holster for my Shield...

But I'll be ponderin' a fancy leather rig for my Blackhawk. :)
 
RobzGuns said:
Since the OC via Belt part requires an Active Retention device, I picked up on a Serpa CQC paddle holster for my Shield...



But I'll be ponderin' a fancy leather rig for my Blackhawk. :)
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I couldn't find the section that requires an Active Retention Device. Could you please post that section?

Thanks
 
GaryS said:
I'm glad it passed, even if it has that provision in it. Of course we'll have to wait for the final bill to be signed to know exactly what is required of the police and open carriers.

Another question is if it applies only to Texas CHL holders or if people who have licenses from any state that Texas recognizes can open carry?
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From what I understand? its for those who already have a CHL.
 
saturner1 said:
I couldn't find the section that requires an Active Retention Device. Could you please post that section?

Thanks
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I believe we discussed an OWB Holster needing active retention earlier in this very thread, but I will scan each and every amendment and try to locate it in the actual Bill.
 
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smokindog said:
While I understand what you say, I have to strongly disagree. This position to me is being submissive to the thought that we have to EARN our Constitutional right. This says we've allowed "them" to put the burden of proof on "us".

Wrong place in the line IMO.
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I feel your pain. "Them and us" in regard to LEO doesn't apply to me.

Well, I rekon you can call the Gov up, and tell him not to sign it cause you're not happy with it, and we can start over.;)

I guess I'm just tired of the bickering and I know government works very slowly, if at all.
So I'll wipe down my old second model, and cinch up one of the rigs Mi Amigo Dave made, and wait for the next round with the hopolophobes.:cool:
 
Or maybe we shouldn't have to do that at all. The burden should be on Officer Friendly and his bosses to show that we are not sane, responsible, or normal.

I don't need to prove any of that before I can write to the local newspaper, worship in the House of God of my choice, or get together with my friends to protest unjust laws.

The Second Amendment shouldn't be treated as a lesser right. Attempts to restrict it should, as with the First, Fourth, and Fifth, be subject to strict scrutiny and only be limited when there is a clear cut public need.

There are something like 40 states that allow open carry already. None of them have had the problems that the anti gun hand wringers predict each time a new pro 2A law is passed. I don't think Texans are any more or less reasonable than people in MA, PA, TN, or any other open carry state.

Old TexMex said:
Perhaaps we should just look at it as an opportunity to meet and prove our sanity, responsibility and normalcy to Officer Friendly.


Gotta start somewhere.....
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saturner1 said:
I couldn't find the section that requires an Active Retention Device. Could you please post that section?

Thanks
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Okay.. Found a part dealing with Holsters: Section 22, (b), (2)

SECTION 22. Sections 411.188(b) and (g), Government Code, are amended to read as follows: (b) Only qualified handgun instructors may administer the classroom instruction part or the range instruction part of the handgun proficiency course. The classroom instruction part of the course must include not less than four hours and not more than six hours of instruction on: (1) the laws that relate to weapons and to the use of deadly force; (2) handgun use and safety, including use of restraint holsters and methods to ensure the secure carrying of openly carried handguns;

This does not state the term Active Restraint...
Hopefully, it was an amendment that got voted down.
The search continues. :)
 
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RobzGuns said:
Okay.. Found it: Section 22, (b), (2)

SECTION 22. Sections 411.188(b) and (g), Government Code, are amended to read as follows: (b) Only qualified handgun instructors may administer the classroom instruction part or the range instruction part of the handgun proficiency course. The classroom instruction part of the course must include not less than four hours and not more than six hours of instruction on: (1) the laws that relate to weapons and to the use of deadly force; (2) handgun use and safety, including use of restraint holsters and methods to ensure the secure carrying of openly carried handguns;
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I didn't read that needing active restraint level 2 holsters. I think a thumb snap would meet the requirement. Plus since this section deals with classroom instruction, I don't think it is a requirement for OC.

Steve
 
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smokindog said:
While I understand what you say, I have to strongly disagree. This position to me is being submissive to the thought that we have to EARN our Constitutional right. This says we've allowed "them" to put the burden of proof on "us".

Wrong place in the line IMO.
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Yeah, it sucks, but that's the reality of the world we live in today. When you have billionaires throwing their $$$ at anti gun groups and misinformation campaigns, you've got to take what you can when you can and keep moving forward.
 
Old TexMex said:
Well, I rekon you can call the Gov up, and tell him not to sign it cause you're not happy with it, and we can start over.;)
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I like that. Made me laugh.
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RobzGuns said:
Okay.. Found a part dealing with Holsters: Section 22, (b), (2)

SECTION 22. Sections 411.188(b) and (g), Government Code, are amended to read as follows: (b) Only qualified handgun instructors may administer the classroom instruction part or the range instruction part of the handgun proficiency course. The classroom instruction part of the course must include not less than four hours and not more than six hours of instruction on: (1) the laws that relate to weapons and to the use of deadly force; (2) handgun use and safety, including use of restraint holsters and methods to ensure the secure carrying of openly carried handguns;

This does not state the term Active Restraint...
Hopefully, it was an amendment that got voted down.
The search continues. :)
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What I see is that secure carry must be taught as part of the CHL course. It does not say the use of a secure holster is required.
 
Fellers please, try to understand a little humor in all this. I know it's not our obligation to prove we're innocent. I know we have the Right to K & B. I'm Not satisfied, and if I make a joke about open carry being a way to meet lawmen on a friendly basis, please. It's a joke.
I know, my sense of humor sucks. I can't get on comedy central. So just blow it off. I'm not gonna get cranky about it, life's too damn short.
(or read any of my previous posts about our 2A rights, if you don't think I got an idea about what's going on)


[Sent from my ipad in a disarmed nation south of Texas ]
 
As far as a retention on a open carry holster goes.....I like it....

This here BBQ karma holster may be something like the one that Colonel Garrison is sporting in the photo of the painting below... ;):D

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Col. Homer Garrison, Jr.

Director of the Texas Department of Public Safety and Chief of the Texas Rangers, 1938 - 1968
Colonel Homer Garrison, Jr.'s lifelong Texas law enforcement career began at age nineteen (shortly after graduating from Lufkin High School,)
when he was appointed deputy sheriff of Angelina County.

In 1930, he joined the newly forming Texas Highway Patrol. When in 1935, the Texas Highway Patrol became part of the Texas Department of Public Safety, Col. Garrison became the new agency's first Assistant Director.

In 1938, his role changed to Director of the DPS and Chief of the Texas Rangers, a position he held until his death in 1968.

The Texas Ranger Hall of Fame and Museum at Fort Fisher is named for him.


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Source; Category:Col._Homer_Garrison,_Jr.
 
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I don't want or need to buy a bunch of new holsters. I think a thumb snap strap is fine. Level 1 will do. If you already have a level 2 or 3 and like them, use them. Any level 1's that you would like to give me, just PM or email and I will take those unsafe things off your hands.:D
 
SB 11 (Campus Carry) was Officially signed off on, by both the House & Senate AND sent to the Governor today.
HB 910 was Officially Signed off on by the House last Friday and Officially Signed off on by the Senate today, so (Hopefully) it will also get sent to the Governor Today (or Tomorrow).

Another step closer... Even though it won't go into effect 'til Jan 2016.

[UPDATE] As of 4:45 Central Time today, BOTH Bills have been sent to the Governor to Sign. :) :) :)
 
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