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Never understood why a gun designed for concealed carry has a rail on it and now a MOS type cut. If you are concealing it, those extra do dads make it that much harder to conceal.

As for a night stand gun or one you have in the vehicle, concealability doesn't matter, but my carry gun has night sights and that is it.

Rosewood
 
I have a Glock 19 with Trijicon RMR and Trijicon suppressor height night sights. The night sights cowitness perfectly and make sighting in the optic a very simple matter with no trip to the range necessary. There is no real bulk added and I use the same old fashioned leather holster that I made for my "ordinary" Glock 19. Carry Optic is now the most popular division at the local IDPA matches and the better shooters are not slowed down at all with the red dot. On the contrary, one of them will usually shoot high overall. I still prefer my iron sights but I can shoot the red dot just as well. The red dot is now a viable real world option and it is here to stay.
 
What he said. Or they said. Yeah!!!!

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Everything you need, nothing you don't...................
 
While I agree with the safety comment immediately above, you can bounce the light off the ceiling/walls to illuminate a room without muzzling anyone. However, can and do are not the same. Quoting a small fantasy character:
"There is no try. Do, or do not."
 
Never understood why a gun designed for concealed carry has a rail on it and now a MOS type cut. If you are concealing it, those extra do dads make it that much harder to conceal.

As for a night stand gun or one you have in the vehicle, concealability doesn't matter, but my carry gun has night sights and that is it.

Rosewood

Some people I know conceal a GLOCK 19 with a Surefire X300 and a RDS. They carry IWB appendix with kydex. If I carried the way they do, I'd be miserable.

For me, it is OWB with leather. Different bodies are shaped differently. I'm not squat and fat instead of squared-away and fit. :p
 
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And I was taught to use a flashlight in a dark house raised way over my head and to the left thereby neither spotlighting me directly nor my gun/gun hand.

Hanging lights on weapons is for house-to-house combat for operators, not homeowners....

House-to-house fighting is what homeowners should expect. They're fighting in THEIR HOUSE!
 
Let me preface this with the fact that I lugged guns about for over 30 years professionally. Accumulated multiple instructor certs. I'm retired now, back when I was working some of those gadgets had a place. Fewer do now.

Outside of specialized need, the gadgets do what they've always done: make people think that having that magic widget(s) eliminates any need to get competent instruction, practice or exert much effort. Plus, there's the tacticool/tactikewl factor. And, a whiff of fantasy enablement. (Kinda like the cat stalking the livestock. The lion/leopard stalks the zebra herd.)

I'm at an age where iron sights can be an issue, depending upon situation. I've got one RDS equipped slide assembly and while it solves the sight picture/threat verification issue it presents other problems. It's kinda wink, wink, nudge, nudge concealable.

When one starts seeing micro pistols with lights & optics, it's ..... a sales gimmick. You've increased the size of the item you're trying to conceal and, well there's only so much slide room for the widgets and your hand. This can be a safety issue. As is the reduced amount of gun that can fit in a holster.

Gun mounted lights started as a way for counter terrorist assault teams to verify threats. That doesn't seem like a private citizen task. You're searching your home? Turn on the lights.

I live in FL, a place where the lights go out due to the weather.

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I trained as a cop how to do building searches and such with weapon lights. I apply those same tactics as a civilian too. Because things happen and you can't always flick a light switch.
 
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I guess I am just and old fart who is old school. When I see post about peoples EDC and they are saying "here's my EDC its a xyz with a 2000 lume light under and a xyz red dot on top" my first thought is wheres the bayonet.
I am old school and even with my aging bad eyes my iron sights seem to do ok at defensive distances. I don't want a light on my gun, but I do carry one. I don't shoot any farther than 25 yrds. I don't need the extra weight or size to CC.
that's how this old timer rolls.

Several years ago I did see a bayonet advertised to fit a Glock rail. I don't think it was a joke.
 
Serving in US Army as MOS 11Bravo20 (Light Weapons Infantryman) in the mid 1960's humping a M14 Rifle, sometimes a 1911A1 gave me a decent appreciation for the generation before me, humping M1 Garand's and 1903-A3 Springfields.

I left Uncle Sam prior to M16 but can still appreciate those "up grades", maybe even going so far as to say that today's GI has a better combat load-out than my generation ever dreamed of. Commo gizmos, helmet cams, every GI has a pistol sidearm, night sights, on board scopes, better flak protection, etc.

I’m not so sure. It really depends on how they manage the modularity.

I got out as the M16A2 was entering service and in my experience it was a retrograde step promoted by the USMC and prioritizing shooting at what was effectively beyond both its effective range and in excess of the need.

It came at the expense of excessive weight and degraded balance and handling compared to the light and handy M16A1, which was well suited to hitting torso sized targets out to 350m.

The M4 was the inevitable correction, this time driven in large part by the needs of mechanized troops and in part by the needs of close quarters combat.

However, they quickly loaded that short handy carbine down with rails and tactical stuff that may or may not provide any value on a particular mission.

The civilian shooters with their M4geries quickly started adding all kinds of a tacticool stuff to their carbines. I really enjoyed shooting against them in tactical rifle matches as they’d take a ligh fart handling carbine and and turn it into a heavy, slow, poorly balanced carbine that adversely impacted their ability to rapidly and accurately engage multiple targets.

Depending on the anticipated ranges and targets I’d use:

an SP1, or M16A1 clone;

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an XM177E2 clone (with a slightly heavier barrel);

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or a 16” pencil barrel carbine with triangular handguards and a fixed entry stock.

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They optimized long range accuracy over close quarters speed ans handling to some extent but all of them were lighter and faster than a tarted up M4gery.

And I really enjoyed consistently beating them with my low tech antiques.
 
I've been an old fart for years. My LEO years were in the 70s and 80s. We all carried wheelguns with iron sights, and hand-held lights. It still works.

I tried a red dot on a small 9mm, but just couldn't get the hang of it. Went back to what I know; my M10 service revolver. I've carried it for 45 years and it feels like an extension of my hand. To each his own........
 

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I’m not so sure. It really depends on how they manage the modularity.

I got out as the M16A2 was entering service and in my experience it was a retrograde step promoted by the USMC and prioritizing shooting at what was effectively beyond both its effective range and in excess of the need.

It came at the expense of excessive weight and degraded balance and handling compared to the light and handy M16A1, which was well suited to hitting torso sized targets out to 350m.

The M4 was the inevitable correction, this time driven in large part by the needs of mechanized troops and in part by the needs of close quarters combat.

However, they quickly loaded that short handy carbine down with rails and tactical stuff that may or may not provide any value on a particular mission.

The civilian shooters with their M4geries quickly started adding all kinds of a tacticool stuff to their carbines. I really enjoyed shooting against them in tactical rifle matches as they’d take a ligh fart handling carbine and and turn it into a heavy, slow, poorly balanced carbine that adversely impacted their ability to rapidly and accurately engage multiple targets.

Depending on the anticipated ranges and targets I’d use:

an SP1, or M16A1 clone;

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an XM177E2 clone (with a slightly heavier barrel);

d5302e16.jpg


or a 16” pencil barrel carbine with triangular handguards and a fixed entry stock.

e40a8c1a-942c-457b-ac33-098239f9a27e_zps5bc0cd42.jpg


They optimized long range accuracy over close quarters speed ans handling to some extent but all of them were lighter and faster than a tarted up M4gery.

And I really enjoyed consistently beating them with my low tech antiques.

Good post that makes much sense.
 
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