ONCE AGAIN,GLOBAL WARMING REARS ITS UGLY HEAD
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I am constantly amazed at the number of phd's in climatology and environmental studies that are found on gun boards. Who knew that this is the local hangout for all of these genuises.(Tongue planted firmly in cheek, for those unaware.)
Smithboomer
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Killing turkeys causes winter.
mes227
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The science is solid though the models less than perfect. And no one who understands the issues calls it global warming any more for exactly this reason. Climate change affects different localities differently. There is almost universal consensus among climate scientists that the climate is changing, the legitimate debates are about the cause and whether we can stop it from happening.
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The climate is going to change, it has changed over and over and will again.
I can show you sediments where there was a drought in the west 1500 years ago that lasted 500 years. There wasn't a thing growed in that ground for the whole time, and you won't find a single car tire track in the whole thing.
I can show you sediments where there was a drought in the west 1500 years ago that lasted 500 years. There wasn't a thing growed in that ground for the whole time, and you won't find a single car tire track in the whole thing.
Stevie
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Get a time machine..go back in time and talk to the Greenland Vikings about climate change.
rburg
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I'm starting to believe maybe the climate is changing. I'm pretty certain the weather is different than it was last year at this time, or 30 or 50 years ago. I wasn't around 80 or 100 years ago, so I can't guess about that.
I'm also pretty sure there's a lot of money in preaching the party line about global warming. There's sure no money in the other side, being honest and doing research and reporting the results if they don't prove the wanted theory.
The whole thing makes me start to wonder if the entire field of government grants isn't just a big waste of money. Our tax dollars.
I'm also pretty sure there's a lot of money in preaching the party line about global warming. There's sure no money in the other side, being honest and doing research and reporting the results if they don't prove the wanted theory.
The whole thing makes me start to wonder if the entire field of government grants isn't just a big waste of money. Our tax dollars.
Faulkner
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The glaciers in Alaska have been receeding for at least 200 years.
The climate is getting warmer: we've been in the warming phase of an interglacial for about 10,000 years. I think peak to peak the cycle is about 40,000 years, so we are in the period when climate change is quickest. 10,000 years ago the Bering Strait was above sea level from all the water locked up in glaciers. That's when humans came over to the New World from Asia; I think there's about 300 feet of sea water above it now.
Then there was that 'mini ice age' that lasted from 1400 AD to the early 1800s (I'm not good on dates). That's what caused the Danes to lose contact with their colonies (there were two of them) in Greenland for almost 100 years. When the Danes went back, the colonies were gone. If the level of warming has increasd so much lately, maybe we're in the start of a naturally occuring 'miniature hot spell" .
Then there was that 'mini ice age' that lasted from 1400 AD to the early 1800s (I'm not good on dates). That's what caused the Danes to lose contact with their colonies (there were two of them) in Greenland for almost 100 years. When the Danes went back, the colonies were gone. If the level of warming has increasd so much lately, maybe we're in the start of a naturally occuring 'miniature hot spell" .
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If anyone truly wants to discuss global warming/climate change, have at it.
Sliding political commentary into a discussion won't work.
I get very tired of dealing with the same people on this issue.
Take the hint.
Sliding political commentary into a discussion won't work.
I get very tired of dealing with the same people on this issue.
Take the hint.
HOUSTON RICK
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One of my ranting liberal colleagues assured me that climate change was impossible without human intervention. We have gotten quite full of ourselves that we can actually believe that.
mike from st pete
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My brother and relatives in Adams Co. PA got 3 to 4 inches of heavy wet snow over night. And I'm freezing here in St Pete.
I want my global warming and I want it now!
I say a class action law suit for compensation. My niece sent a photo of her crushed gazebo.
I want my global warming and I want it now!
I say a class action law suit for compensation. My niece sent a photo of her crushed gazebo.
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beach elvis
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I don't care which way it goes. I got both a coat AND a fan so I'm prepared either way, thanx.
Now there is the correct answer. Congrats.
I'm pulling for warming myself, I just plain don't like winter!
I don't wonder about that at all. I'm certain of it. It's like someone reaching into your wallet and giving the contents to a favorite cousin. Same principle, same result. You lose.
John
Snow!
One thing nice about winter and snow, you don't need to worry about keeping the beer cold when power goes out from some idiot opening the wrong breaker someplace!
jcelect
One thing nice about winter and snow, you don't need to worry about keeping the beer cold when power goes out from some idiot opening the wrong breaker someplace!
jcelect
This is gonna be long.
We hear a lot about 'greenhouse gases". This is bafflespeak for carbon dioxide, CO2 (can't get subscript here, I guess). There are vexing qustions surrounding the effects of carbon dioxide. Supposedly the CO2 generated by industry and internal combustion engines (read cars) is forming some sort of greenhouse effect in the atmosphere and raising global teemperatures. But from what very little I know about it, there are a lot of questions I haven't heard asked, to say nothing of answered.
The first consideration is that CO2 is a VERY small part of the atmosphere: .02%; that's right, just two hundredths of one percent of the air we breathe is CO2. You could breathe hydrogen cyanide at that concentration and it wouldn't hurt you. I wonder how CO2 can have any effect at that dilution. and nobody has said that the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has risen to anything greater than .02%.
The second thing is that CO2 isn't an inert gas. It reacts with other things and that reaction could be observed if and when it occurs. Specifically, CO2 has a part in photosynthesis: plants take in CO2 and water and form sugar for their metabolism, while exhaling oxygen. If the level of CO2 has risen, we should see plants growing more luxuriantly since more CO2 is available for photosynthesis and growth. And we should alse detect a greater percentage of oxygen in the atmosphere from the increased rate of photosynthesis. I havent heard that either of these has been observed.
One of the things that CO2 reacts with is water; it is soluble in water to a slight degree and forms carbonic acid. Those bubbles in your Coca Cola are CO2. the seas cover about 3/5ths of the earth's surface ; that's a lot of water exosed to whatever CO2 is around. I haven't heard that the seas are growing more acidic from exposure to CO2. And there are huge numbers of plant plankton in the sea that photosynthesize just as land plants do. They would contribute to an increase in oxygen, both in the sea and in the admosphere, but I haven't heard of that happening either.
And these plankton are the base of the ocanic food pyramid; if there are more of them for predators to feed on, there will be more of all the animals up the marine food pyramid. That means there should be more of the fish we catch for human consumption, but all I hear on this subject is that our fisheries are being overfished and are at the point of giving out.
Lots of questions, few answers from reliable soures. I hope this meets the Simian criteria: "Truly wanting to discuss global warming/climate change".
We hear a lot about 'greenhouse gases". This is bafflespeak for carbon dioxide, CO2 (can't get subscript here, I guess). There are vexing qustions surrounding the effects of carbon dioxide. Supposedly the CO2 generated by industry and internal combustion engines (read cars) is forming some sort of greenhouse effect in the atmosphere and raising global teemperatures. But from what very little I know about it, there are a lot of questions I haven't heard asked, to say nothing of answered.
The first consideration is that CO2 is a VERY small part of the atmosphere: .02%; that's right, just two hundredths of one percent of the air we breathe is CO2. You could breathe hydrogen cyanide at that concentration and it wouldn't hurt you. I wonder how CO2 can have any effect at that dilution. and nobody has said that the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has risen to anything greater than .02%.
The second thing is that CO2 isn't an inert gas. It reacts with other things and that reaction could be observed if and when it occurs. Specifically, CO2 has a part in photosynthesis: plants take in CO2 and water and form sugar for their metabolism, while exhaling oxygen. If the level of CO2 has risen, we should see plants growing more luxuriantly since more CO2 is available for photosynthesis and growth. And we should alse detect a greater percentage of oxygen in the atmosphere from the increased rate of photosynthesis. I havent heard that either of these has been observed.
One of the things that CO2 reacts with is water; it is soluble in water to a slight degree and forms carbonic acid. Those bubbles in your Coca Cola are CO2. the seas cover about 3/5ths of the earth's surface ; that's a lot of water exosed to whatever CO2 is around. I haven't heard that the seas are growing more acidic from exposure to CO2. And there are huge numbers of plant plankton in the sea that photosynthesize just as land plants do. They would contribute to an increase in oxygen, both in the sea and in the admosphere, but I haven't heard of that happening either.
And these plankton are the base of the ocanic food pyramid; if there are more of them for predators to feed on, there will be more of all the animals up the marine food pyramid. That means there should be more of the fish we catch for human consumption, but all I hear on this subject is that our fisheries are being overfished and are at the point of giving out.
Lots of questions, few answers from reliable soures. I hope this meets the Simian criteria: "Truly wanting to discuss global warming/climate change".
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