Rastoff
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If the shots are as much as 3" apart, it isn't "right on" is it?
** Once and for all: POA of a fullsized M&P 40 **
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If the shots are as much as 3" apart, it isn't "right on" is it?
@ 25 yards maybe, 15, no joy........
walkin' trails
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I use #2, was trained that way, and teach POA/POI is based on proper sight alignment using the top of the front sight for focus. My M&Ps have all shot POA/POI. I have no use for the three-dot system and find it confuses people. My pistols usually don't keep those types of sights for very long. I prefer sights that draw my attention the front sight, i.e. Trijicon HDs, fiber optics, brass bead, single tritium lamp, etc. If a particular pistol shoots low or some other deviation from POA for more than one experienced shooter with more than one ammo brand/configuration, then the sights need some work. I had a conversation with a casual 1911 shooter who had a military/ LE background. He'd gone to the range with two or three 1911s and a .40 Shield. The 1911 groups, he said, were tight. The Shield was all over the place, With his "air gun" he showed me he was still using the teacup hold. I brought him up to speed on the mid-20th Century Modern Texhnique, which he should have been trained on ( he wasn't that old). Then I suggested that he consider that a Shield had a different trigger and was never going to shoot like a 1911. Anyway, he said he shotbit better on his range trip.
I do best with all my 5 M&Ps using #3, combat picture. The Novak fiber optic front sight has fallen out twice in my 40 Pro 5", and I finally said enough is enough. I shoot through the hole left in the front sight, which is about as combat sight as you can get. Don't laugh, it works and works well.
Sights are sights, regardless of what pistol they're on. First, you have to be able to shoot. Once you have the basics down, importance of proper zero cannot be overstated.
Once you get this at 50 yards, everything else is gravy.
Once you get this at 50 yards, everything else is gravy.
dlombard
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I found that the reason for my shots going low and to the right (I'm left handed) was due to squeezing the gun harder AS I was pulling the trigger and not due to incorrect sight alignment. I found that putting the front sight On the bullseye got the job done. Once I started balancing the isometric tension on the gun after pointing in, and only allowing my trigger finger to do the moving, I couldn't miss.
If the shots are as much as 3" apart, it isn't "right on" is it?
"right on" for some of us means "on the paper".
Lee in Quartzsite
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The M&P’s are not target pistols. In any situation where it must be used for self defense I use the technique taught at places like Gunsite where the emphasis is “Front sight, front sight, front sight”. With a good grip on the gun, front sight on the target, the bullets will stop the threat. There isn’t time to properly align the front and rear sights to insure a perfect sight picture and a perfect hit. Practice like it’s a combat weapon, not a target pistol.
That being said, I have Crimson Trace lasers on all my carry guns…problem solved.
That being said, I have Crimson Trace lasers on all my carry guns…problem solved.
Rastoff
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And that's the problem with any of these "accuracy" threads."right on" for some of us means "on the paper".
