flop-shank
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I've been in deadly force encounters and seriously wounded an assailant. I have a moral code that refuses to let me sympathize with criminal miscreants. If you feel different, that's your problem.
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flop-shank
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Oh yeah, I totally agree then. BTW even if you were so inclined to feel bad for the shootee, I would only wish that you experience peace in your heart this holiday season.
God bless.
straightshooter1
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I, too, Lt JL, have had that experience. I think I was fortunate in more ways than one.
Since leaving the Police Department, I have investigated quite a few shootings by police and I have seen a number of these officers leave law enforcement even though they were cleared by us (State Attorney) as well as their Departments.
One officer left, really went down hill, and eventually committed suicide (not one of the cases I handled, thankfully).
It is very much different talking about it, than it is if it actually happens.
Bob
Since leaving the Police Department, I have investigated quite a few shootings by police and I have seen a number of these officers leave law enforcement even though they were cleared by us (State Attorney) as well as their Departments.
One officer left, really went down hill, and eventually committed suicide (not one of the cases I handled, thankfully).
It is very much different talking about it, than it is if it actually happens.
Bob
Evil One
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Either I am totally heartless... or feel in my heart that I was 100%, but I have never lost sleep or thought much about the fact that he ceased to exist.
And it doesnt get any more personal... I was attacked in a parking lot and didnt have a weapon.
I am not looking forward in the least to ever having to do it again, but if the situation arose I wouldnt falter... because I know firsthand what people are and what they are capable of.
No John Wayne, just a very intimate knowledge of the human animal.
Jim
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Cmort666: Every kid I teach should read your posts. Most are incapable of understanding the incorrigible depravity of some human beings. Thus they're set up for catastrophe if a real predator comes their way.
True decency does not mourn everyone - it weeps for the innocent.
True decency does not mourn everyone - it weeps for the innocent.
cmort666
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I have no special insights into morality or humanity... I'm just a moderately clear writer.
cmort666
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I've never killed anybody. Thought I was VERY close once. After the fact, I've come to believe it might have been a well known serial killer who was later executed by the State of Ohio. If it had been Alton Coleman, I wish he HAD made me kill him, because at least one innocent person would still be alive now who isn't.
I've been called a "cold hearted SOB". If wanting a serial child rapist, child killer, carjacker and murderer dead and being willing to do it myself if necessary earns me that title, I'll wear it proudly like the Pour le Merite.
flop-shank
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Sir, you have summed up what many have said in this thread, but in one sentence. If you're looking for a signature line, IMO you just wrote it.
flop-shank
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Cmort, Alton Coleman left this world far too easily. If we ever meet, I would love to hear the story. What makes you think you ran into A.C.? Did you recognize his picture when he got busted and think something along the lines of, "holy S--t, that's the guy!!!!!"?
animalmother
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+ 1 on the good riddance of this young turd. Now, I'm waiting for his Weezy Jefferson momma to come forward and declare that he baby was a good kid and didn't deserve to be shot. I would tell her to her face: f/ your punk ass son!
cmort666
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Here's the long version. I haven't told it in a while:
In the early to mid-'80s, college friend and I were officers stationed at Ft. Knox. Another college friend was an NCO in the Missouri National Guard. He had always been big into scouting, so he organized a Military Explorer post with the support of his Guard unit. They operated out of Jefferson Barracks. He used to invite his college buddies, most of whom were either active duty or reserve military to act as the OPFOR for the FTXes.
My friend and I head out in his '82(?) Dodge Charger hatchback, loaded with bolt guns (Kar98a, Commission '88) for shooting blanks, as well as an HK93 and handguns for security. We stopped for dinner in St. Louis. Getting back into the car, I noticed that the door wouldn't latch. I kept slamming the door, but it wouldn't stay shut... then the strike plate fell off the door. We drove to a dealership, but seeing how this was Friday evening around 5:00pm, they couldn't get anything done until at least the following Monday, when we were supposed to be back at Knox. We procured a length of clothes line and TIED my door shut.
We get down to Jeff Barracks (wearing our home made OPFOR uniforms) and start getting organized. In the middle of things, the father of one of the kids suddenly decides that he doesn't want his kid handling an M16 or shooting blanks... after knowing for AT LEAST the better part of a year that it was a military Explorer Post and that's what they did. This threw all plans out the window. The major or colonel who was responsible knuckled under and agreed that although the boys would have M16s, they wouldn't have bolts or ammunition. At this point, several of us put our feet down and told our friend that although we really wanted to help him out, we were all Army officers and flat out weren't going to allow some capon to bully us into shouting "bang, bang". He fully understood.
On the way back to Knox, we stopped at Jerry's(?) for dinner. Around midnight, my friend and I headed out for Kentucky, while another friend and a guy from his reserve unit headed out for Chicago.
The trip back started out uneventfully. Somewhere on I-44(?) I just started to nod off when a pickup truck passed us, going about 75-80mph. A second later, a little Datsun or Toyota passed us on the shoulder, going at least as fast. This got us concerned.
A ways down the road, we saw the pickup pulled over on the shoulder with a bunch of pissed off looking people standing around. A short distance past that, we saw the Toyota driving on the shoulder. As soon as he saw us, he sped up and started pacing us as though he wanted to race. When we didn't take the bait, he cut us off a little and disappeared.
At this point, we figured that something was going on and that it wasn't good. I got my friend's HK93 out of the back, put in a loaded 40 round magazine and chambered a round. We didn't see anything for another 5-10 minutes so I unloaded the HK and put it back in the bag. Sure enough, a few minutes later I saw our "friend" again rolling along the shoulder.
This time the guy sped up, cut us off severely, then began slowing down in front of us weaving from side to side as he slowed down so that we couldn't get around him. He was obviously trying to force us off the road.
I got the HK back out of the bag and reloaded. I told my buddy to wait until the guy got right on his front bumper, then hit the dome light. As soon as that happened, our "friend" got to see a couple of guys in "foreign" uniforms, one of them pointing a semi-automatic rifle at him. At that point, all of the highway markers crowded into the center of his windshield as he made the jump to lightspeed. He then turned out his lights in an unsuccessful attempt to "disappear". He had to be going 90mph as he rapidly receded into the distance. We stayed on alert for a while. I saw tail lights off in the distance. Sure enough, it was our "friend". We wree driving at normal highway speed, but we slowly gained on him. He must have suddenly noticed us in his rearview mirror, because he went to lightspeed again. This might have happened one more time, but after all these years, I'm not sure. Eventually, he disappeared for good.
Right around this time, serial child rapist, child killer, carjacker, and murderer of adults, Alton Coleman was doing his mid-west tour. I don't think that he carjacked and murdered a woman (and maybe her husband) in Ohio until AFTER our incident took place. The whole thing is suspiciously familiar, from the attempt to force the truck off the road, to aborting when there were too many people in it, to trying to force us off the road. We found out later that our friend heading back to Chicago ran into the same guy, almost shooting him with his 1911 when he tried the same tricks.
As I said, I don't KNOW that it was Alton Coleman, but I wish it HAD been, and that he'd pushed things just a little farther. At least one person would still be alive.
flop-shank
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Thanks for sharing. If nothing else, whether it was A.C. or not, you got out unscathed. It sounds like you handled yourselves well.
cmort666
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This was in the days when IF there were cellphones, they were as big as a PRC77 and cost more than a small car. Of course I'm sure there was no coverage out there anyway. Heck, there's no coverage (at least from T-Mobile) in Catawissa NOW, which is next to Pacific where 6 Flags is. We were in the middle of nowhere and had NO idea where the nearest town was (nothing visible from the highway), much less where to find the cops.
Spotteddog
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Anyone NOT carrying when on the road is a fool.
Any state's government that prevents it's honest citizens FROM legally carrying while on the road, are enabling the fools.
Any state's government that prevents it's honest citizens FROM legally carrying while on the road, are enabling the fools.
flop-shank
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Not only that, but they're criminals for violating the civil rights of honest men.
cmort666
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But don't you know? The government HAS to protect you on the road... even if there's no cell coverage... or you don't have a cell phone... or the cell phone hasn't been invented yet. It says so on the doors of the police cars!
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