Gutpile Charlie
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That's the way it is suppose to work! OUT STANDING!
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Andy Taylor
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And just who will reimberse the dog owner for the cost of his ammo, cleaning supplies, and the time to clean the gun? What a terrible misscarrriage of justice.
PeterCartwright
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Well, guys, given the facts cited, the shooter had no choice. That hardly makes this a happy circumstance for anyone. Thank God the fellow defending himself wasn't hurt (physically), but he'll still have to deal with the trauma of the event. For that matter, though it may not be popular to note this, the kid probably has a family somewhere, too. Let's hope that what he (the armed robber) experienced might prove a cautionary tale to his partners.
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cmort666
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1. I can pretty much guarantee that the trauma of shooting somebody threatening your life is a lot less than the trauma of being crippled, blinded, made incontinent or killed by somebody with no respect for innocent life.
2. EVERYBODY has a family, including Charles Manson and Ottis Toole. From my observation, the odds are overwhelming that this dolt is dead BECAUSE of his family. If I had a penny for every mother of some savage who declared that their little armed robber who'd just been shot to save somebody else's life was a "good boy", I'd be able to buy a cargo container full of water cooled .50 Browning machineguns with all of the accessories. If you don't want your kid to get shot by the cops or a citizen defending him or herself, at the very least, tell him "no" occasionally. Even better, know what he's doing so you'll know WHEN to tell him "no". And it's still HIS fault he got shot. The world is overflowing with poor and neglected kids who AREN'T predators.
3. The quick and easy way to avoid getting shot is to not point guns at people who haven't put you in immediate reasonable fear of life and limb. If you disregard that advice, you not only will probably get shot, you OUGHT to get shot. Nobody, be they the citizen whom you try to rob, nor the cop who has to apprehend you should have to put up with the danger you stupidly impose upon them. Better that you should fix yourself a big Prestone martini than to intrude upon the lives of people actually trying to make something of themselves.
4. If your little darling gets greased trying to rob or rape somebody, have the decency to hang your head in shame and skulk away in silence. I don't care that junior was an "honor student" or that he was "turning his life around", or that he was a abducted by aliens for that matter. The ONLY thing that matters is that he's got a weapon in his hand and he's committing an act of aggression against somebody. At that point, he might as well be screaming "SHOOT ME!!!" at the top of his lungs. Eventually, somebody will.
It's unpopular in some circles to have these opinions. As you might deduce, I don't care.
flop-shank
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The sad thing is that the perp decided to take the wrong path in life by becoming a violent predator. Once he did that all bets are off. I'm not the least bit sorry he got shot. Gushing with sympathy for those who choose to become human coyotes is inappropriate and sends the wrong message to young people.
cmort666
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Having sympathy for an armed robber makes as much sense as having sympathy for a crocodile that snatches a kid off of a river bank.
Evil One
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Actually, it makes less sense.
The crocs are natural predators and can know nothing else.
It just bothers me that many get a swift death.
Jim
The crocs are natural predators and can know nothing else.
It just bothers me that many get a swift death.
Jim
cmort666
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You could argue that a lot of these "kids" have a mentality equivalent to that of a crocodile. They have no more compassion for their victims than a carnivorous reptile.
We don't try to "reason with", nor to "rehabilitate" crocodiles that try to eat people. We kill them when we can.
cmort666,
Thank you for your longer post above. I would have said "--ck his family. They are most likely either criminals or mutants themselves." You made the point much more nicely, and perhaps more intelligibly, to the three or four people on this forum who hadn't already figured it out on their own.
Good writing.
520
Thank you for your longer post above. I would have said "--ck his family. They are most likely either criminals or mutants themselves." You made the point much more nicely, and perhaps more intelligibly, to the three or four people on this forum who hadn't already figured it out on their own.
Good writing.
520
flop-shank
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They are humans and have the ability to understand that what they are doing is wrong. They choose to go against that which God has hardwired in all of us. A crocodile is innocent because it is doing what God wired it's brain to do, and can eat no other way.
cmort666
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Actually, it's hardwired in us to be predators. Unlike the crocodile we have a choice. Civilized people choose not to be predators. They've chosen to be predators. They should be treated like predators.
flop-shank
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I'll have to politely disagree. People have a sense and understanding of what's right and wrong. If I'm not mistaken, it is referred to as "natural law" in the legal field. People of all societies and religious backgrounds, even athiests, understand that certain things are wrong and shouldn't be done (rape, murder, stealing ect.). In the end though, it doesn't seem that we're in disagreement about the perp in question though.
cmort666
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Unlike [apparently] a lot of people these days, I have real animosity for people who use violence against other people for no good reason, especially against women. By and large, they're cowards who seek out those whom they perceive to be unable to effectively defend themselves. Few things make me happier than to see one of them get what he deserves and especially from somebody he was trying to harm because he thought they were a "safe" mark.
I'm not sorry when a violent criminal gets shot. I'm sorry when he DOESN'T.
Evil One
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I just like crocs more than I like criminals...
It is upsetting to compare them to one another...
Jim
It is upsetting to compare them to one another...
Jim
flop-shank
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I could not ever possibly agree more. I view this as a never ending war, the good guy vs. the bad guys.
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I worked on a serial rapist and killer once who was lauded by his coworkers, neighbors and friends as the most selfless, helpful and good-hearted person you can imagine. To this day, I can't hear the phrase "What a guy" without seeing his face. It was only with 12 to 15 year old girls that he was a ravening, vicious, relentless and remorseless sociopath. He died in prison, protesting his innocence. I believe he is experiencing now what we could never achieve in his lifetime: true justice. I suspect "good guy" Markee is with him.
My point: the predators do not only live in the ghetto or on the wrong side of the track. They walk among us, often unrecognized until it is too late. Eternal vigilance is the price not only of freedom, but of safety as well.
cmort666
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My predecessor in my position is a full blown sociopath. He has absolutely no conscience or apparent limits, at least when it comes to stealing.
Before he was fired for forging a check and check kiting, he forged his name on a bunch of checks, some of them from a company for which he didn't work. He wrote himself a bunch of checks which showed in the accounting system as being to various suppliers and for company expenses.
When he started with the company, he stole a check from the company, cashed it, then "loaned" the money to the company. He then wrote himself more checks to himself as "loan repayments".
He borrowed money from the company to buy a car, registered it in the company name, then began paying himself "mileage expenses".
He misused a number of company credit cards. He used a company credit card to incorporate his own competing company.
He lied to the IRS and told them that he was the owner. At the same time, in a wage garnishment action, he declared that he was a commissioned saleman who'd only made $500 in the past year.
He didn't just steal from us. He got a supplier in India to release some goods by emailing them images of a check and the Fedex label under which he was allegedly going to send it. They released the goods and he shredded the check. He forged checks or stole funds from at least two previous employers.
When he was fired, he sued us for wrongful termination. When it became obvious that he not only would lose, but that he'd lose our counter-suit, he started offering pitiful settlement offers. Since we couldn't get our worthless county prosecutor to prosecute him, even with a complete spoonfed package of evidence, we agreed to let him settle at the 11th hour for $0.25 on the dollar. He made the initial lump sum payment, which was to be followed by $5,000 payments each month. We just found out that the first $5,000 payment was stolen from his current employer, who now has learned that our hero tanked the company finances (which he ran, as he did at our company), and they're hundreds of thousands of dollars in the hole. The good news is that he won't be writing any more of those company checks. If he's a day late on a payment, or a check bounces, we have a signed agreement that he pays $200,000 dollars. That also voids our agreement not to encourage prosecution. I'm thinking he's going to have a hard time getting the next $5,000 that's due on January 1st. Maybe the prosecutor will be impressed by a pattern of five grand thefts rather than four.
In a truly futile effort to seek our sympathy, he told his lawyer that his wife was dying of cancer. He's telling other people that she has dementia. Next week it'll be lycanthropy.
If anybody thinks there are no evil people in the world I've got news for them. And this guy hasn't even killed anybody... that we know of... yet. I'm thinking that when he's REALLY hurting for money, he'll sit down and watch a whole season of CSIs looking for undetectable ways to poison someone. If I were his wife, I'd check to see if he had any insurance on me. Then I'd start sleeping with one eye open.
This is a purely rhetorical question, neither requiring or soliciting an answer. How many have you guys shot someone, alleged dirtbag or not, and watch the life leave his body? When it happens to you, and pray it never does, it won't matter whether you were legally right or wrong. You will see those eyes for the rest of your life, and hear those agonal respirations, and then see everything about that guy just ---stop. He ain't in there any more. And you did it. Whether it was with a bayonet in Nam, or a 9mm in Detroit, it gets real personal to kill someone up close.
The guys here who write as if they can't wait to grease somebody, and have it all planned out, are going to get a rude, up close and personal portrait of Death like they never saw before. Justified or not, killing someone is the most intimate act there is. And yeah, I do know what I am talking about. John.
The guys here who write as if they can't wait to grease somebody, and have it all planned out, are going to get a rude, up close and personal portrait of Death like they never saw before. Justified or not, killing someone is the most intimate act there is. And yeah, I do know what I am talking about. John.
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