One of S&W's old competitors: The Colt Police Positive Special

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Yes, I dare to mention the "C word" on the S&W forum. Many of us here also have a few Colts, so I thought I'd throw this draft article up for comments. The Colt Police Positive Special was an icon from 1908 on through as late as 1995, with over 3/4 of a million having been made. Hope the info will be of interest.

John

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In the early part of the 20th Century, the standard police sidearm was a revolver, and it was likely to be from one of two makers: Smith & Wesson or Colt. Although .32 caliber revolvers were quite prolific at first, the market later came to be dominated by the more powerful and effective .38 special cartridge. S&W’s main offering in that caliber was its Military and Police model, a “K-frame” revolver still being made as the Model 10. Colt’s flagship police handgun was known as the Police Positive Special. Today Colt no longer makes double-action revolvers, and so, to much of the public, their offering is now largely unknown. I hope this article will correct that situation, as the Colt “PPS” was an effective handgun with some particular advantages over its rival “M&P.”

Although the first solid frame swing-out cylinder revolver originated in Europe, Colt decided to make competitive guns in Hartford, Connecticut. Chief engineer Carl Ebbets was assigned the task, and in 1888 he patented the first Colt revolver so configured. Subsequently in 1889 and 1892, the U.S. Navy and Army bought revolvers chambered for the .38 Long Colt cartridge.

Colt first introduced the Police Positive revolver in 1907. The “positive” in its name referred to a positive hammer block that prevented the hammer from going forward until the trigger was deliberately pulled. The gun could be dropped on its hammer, fully loaded with six cartridges, and it would not fire. It immediately became a popular gun, but it was chambered in some fairly puny calibers: .32 Colt, .32 New Police, .38 New Police and .38 S&W. The latter cartridge is not to be confused with the .38 special; it’s not as powerful, it’s shorter, and cannot be chambered in a .38 special handgun due to its somewhat larger diameter.

The Police Positive did have some endearing qualities. First, it had a smaller frame than the Smith M&P, making it lighter, an advantage for police who had to pack their revolvers all day. Also, the cylinder rotated to the right, pressing the cylinder into the frame, rather than out of it, as the left-rotating S&W revolvers did. Further, the “hand” (a mechanical part that pushes on the back of the cylinder to rotate it) continued to push on the cylinder ratchet as the locking bolt fell into place to align the chambers with the barrel. There was no slop in this system, and the lock-up was precise and solid. The Smith & Wesson revolvers always had a small amount of play in their system. While Colt lauded this feature, the Smiths had an ace in the hole – their revolver could be chambered for the more powerful .38 special, which was essentially an elongated .38 Long Colt.

In 1908, Colt corrected this situation by offering the Police Positive Special. This utilized a slightly more robust frame and a 0.25 inch longer cylinder. These “D frame” models were chambered for the .38 special and the .32-20; both were a considerable improvement over their predecessors. These carbon steel revolvers could be had either blued or nickeled, with barrel lengths of four, five or six inches. The rear sight was a fixed groove in the topstrap, and the front sight was the typical “half moon” configuration popular in that era. The barrel marking was “POLICE POSITIVE” with “.38 SPECIAL” to the right of it. Initially, only the .32-20 guns were specifically marked “POLICE POSITIVE SPECIAL.” The revolver pictured is one of the .38 special “first issue” PPS revolvers with a six-inch barrel, and weighs just 25 ounces. Manufactured in 1922, this fine-condition blued revolver is still fully functional and could easily serve its intended role for self-protection today. In 1926, a shortened PPS with a two-inch snubby barrel found popularity and fame as the Detective Special. It’s still a popular gun today, many years after production stopped.

In 1928, the Police Positive Special was upgraded with standard checkered wooden grips (previously available until 1923 only on special order) in place of the older hard rubber offerings. It had a slightly heavier frame. Another nicety was a checkered topstrap. A third issue of the PPS with improved metallurgy first appeared in 1947. In 1977 a fourth issue was upgraded with a shrouded ejector rod housing. It was only manufactured for one year and was the last of the traditionally-actioned PPS revolvers. The final fifth issue, re-introduced with a new “Mark V” action, was called simply the “Police Positive.” It was manufactured from 1994 to 1995, and was specifically approved for the use of +P ammunition.

Colt did make a slightly larger and heavier .38 special revolver, the Official Police model. However, the PPS was much more popular for its weight savings and equivalent performance to the Official Police. In fact, the PPS gave an impressive weight savings of 11 ounces over its bigger brother. Besides police department purchases, large numbers were also bought by the general public. In the end, over 750,000 of the Police Positive Special model were made.

The PPS in .38 special was also well-liked by the not-so-savory element back in the day. Mob kingpin Al Capone favored a 4-inch barreled nickel model with walnut grips made in 1938. In June of 2011 it was sold through Christie’s auction house to a private collector for the tidy sum of $109,080.

Colt and Smith & Wesson revolvers operated a bit differently. The Colt cylinder release had to be pulled back. The S&W release was pushed forward. The Colt cylinder rotated to the right, while its S&W counterpart rotated to the left. The Colt lockwork was more complex with leaf springs, while the S&W used only one leaf spring (the mainspring) to power the hammer; and everything else in it used coil springs. The Smith’s extractor rod was supported at its forward tip, while the Colt had a freely-exposed extractor rod. Gunsmiths found that the Colt was harder to tune and that the S&W had a slightly smoother action. However, the later Colt Python revolver was highly regarded for the extra care it received at the factory, making the action very smooth indeed.

It should be mentioned that under no circumstances should "+P" .38 special or .38 special "heavy duty" ammo be fired in the pre-1930s guns. They were never designed for these higher pressures, and it's best to be on the safe side. Later guns could withstand a limited diet of heavy loads and were so listed, but I personally would avoid using them.

In the end, Smith & Wesson’s revolvers won out for the police market, but the Colt offerings were very popular in their day and gave S&W a tremendous run for the money. The old Colts are now rapidly becoming collectors’ items, and the increasing prices being asked and paid reflect this. The Colt Police Positive Special was one of the reigning police and civilian revolvers throughout the ‘teens, ‘20s, ‘30s and ‘40s. It’s an American classic that would be well placed in any handgun collection as a reminder of great Colt revolvers in “the good old days.”

(c) 2013 JLM
 
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I've got a well used PPS, I believe it was a duty gun.

I haven't lettered it but it would not be shocked if it was NYPD.



I have been wanting to shoot it but havent yet....
 
This is either an Army Special or an early Official Police, not a PPS. I can't read the barrel. What do the markings say it is?

WOW, I will be a monkeys uncle, but right you are...

It is an Official Police ( checked), all these years I thought it was a PPS :)
 
WOW, I will be a monkeys uncle, but right you are...

It is an Official Police ( checked), all these years I thought it was a PPS :)


I'm always happy to help a Yankee learn the truth about guns...;)

BTW, I got a PPS at about age 14. My mother paid for it when some classmate sold off one that was in his family. It was a very early one with four-inch bbl.

I was reading James Severn, Haven & Belden, and other Colt authors by the time I was 12. I recall seeing many PPS's on TV as a kid and on mystery magazine covers. They seemed to be much favored by actors playing hoods. But Phillip Marlowe had both a DS and a PPS as a PI. Both Colts fit on a tray that slid up under the dash of his car. Phil Carey played Marlowe on TV. I think Bogart had the same setup in a Marlowe movie.
 
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John-

Couple of points...The PPS made from 1977 was again just dubbed Police Positive, confusing many people even more. And it had wooden grips, not Coltwood. I had one for a time and liked the enclosed extractor rod. But if memory serves, it didn't shoot to the sights.

Also, Plus P ammo WAS authorized by Colt for their later guns. I agree that those made before the 1960's are probably better used with std. velocity loads. But in the 1930's, they "listed" even .38-44 loads as suitable for the PPS. I'm sure they didn't recommend routine use, though.

With the later steel guns, the factory strongly recommended returning the guns to the maker for exam after 3,000 rounds oF Plus P. If the frame was light alloy, they were to be inspected after 1,000 rounds.
 
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I have a very worn PPS in 32-20. The serial # indicates 1918 or 1919. I was always told that the Colt PP & PPS revolvers were not as strong as the Smith M&P. I consider this one in the same category as my 1902 Smith- VERY TENDER, and only shoot light Trail Boss loads in either of them. Ivan
 
I've got a well used PPS, I believe it was a duty gun.

I haven't lettered it but it would not be shocked if it was NYPD.



I have been wanting to shoot it but havent yet....

If it is NYPD,it'll be marked with the officer's shield # on the butt or the backstrap & the NYPD often special ordered their Colts w/ a 1/8" wide front sight instead of the narrow standard one.
 
A very well done story of the Police Positive Special. Thanks PALADIN85020.

The precursor to the Detective Special was the Police Positive Special with a 2 inch barrel. Almost within a year or so of producing the PPS with a 2 inch barrel Colt started making the DS.

The difference is that a PPS with a 2 inch barrel will be barrel marked "38 Special."

While a DS will be barrel marked "38 Detective Special".

Initially both were produced with square butts only and very soon only the DS was produced and it was the round-butt.

I have a PPS 2 inch and learned about its "parentage" after buying it and noticing the barrel markings differed from DS models.
 
Thanks for a good read, I used to have a 32-20 in it. Till my wife took it over for her going to the mtns. carry, she shoots it very well. There are a lot of cougar where we recreate and our little mini schnauzer is safe when she walks him I'm sure. Great little gun and it fits her hand better than a lot of others.
 

Picked up a blue 1977 Police Positive like the one pictured late last year. It's a great shooter, feels good in my hand. It also gets along quite nicely with the S&W revolvers in my safe.
 
I have a few myself. I like the smaller frame as compact shooter. This is a cut down PPS with the grip rounded and a trigger shoe.


A nice PP 4" in 38 S&W.


A 6" PPS.


And a 6" PP
 
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